60 yards? i would truly like to see this.
46 hits in the 'vitals'.

i would have to approximate that the entire vitals of a turkey would only constitute10 squre inches. (rough estimate)

there is 79.5 square inches in a 10" circle(fact)

so, the vitals would fill up 1/8 of the ten inch circle.(rough estimate)

you're gun put 46 hits in the vitals. if your pattern was nice and even, there should have been another 322 hits(46 hits X's 8- 46) outside the 'vital' hits in that 10" circle.

WOW, that would be a total of 368 hits in the 10" circle

winchester xtended 3.5" 2oz#5's have a total pellet count of 318(winchester data)

if you're getting a nice and even turkey pattern, and getting 46 'vital' hits at 60 yards, you must be putting every single pellet in a 9" circle...................that is one incredibly tight pattern your gun throws there. i sure wouldn't want to see the pattern at 40, 30 or 20 yards.

that gun/pattern of yours would blow the competition away at the world still target contests. i think the winnersare only getting 20-30 hits in a 3" circle at either 30 or 40 yards. you would have to be getting around 60.

i have the same 835, shot the exact same load(except in #6's with 414 pellets total) thru hastings chokes of .675, .680, .685, .690 and .695 and am only able to put 210 hits in a 10" circle at 40 yards. this after polishing the barrel and shooting off a gun rest.


almost forgot. most guys are confident with 4-6 vitals hits for their max distance. your pattern should hold up at least another 30-40 yards and still get 4-6 vital hits

I never thought about going back another 30 yards maybe 'll try it but then there is there is the penetration problem... Did i say 46 somebody needs to go back and reread the post. I am telling you what I shot and there is no lie here... You people kill me..... I would notfeel comfortable putting 6 hits in the kill zone at 40 yards. I am really surprized that I have not heard you must be using an oversized target. Well like I said , and I willsay it again.....spend some time with your gun and perfect you shooting ablility and marry your choke to the shot that shoots best. See what you seem to misunderstand here is that when you shoot your gun you need to put over 100 pellets in a 10 inch circle at all ranges, then when your 100 pellets peters out, you have found your maximum range.Maybeyou have the wrong shells try a different brand and see what happens. Good luck.

how many pellets do you feel are the minimum in the 'vitals' for you to be comfortable?

can you please tell me how many pellets you had in a 10" circle at that 60 yards when you put 46 in the 'vitals'

i just dont seem to be as good as a hunter/shooter as you to spend that much time with my gun. i have only tried 10 different chokes with 8 different brands of ammo. how many more shots do i have to take for my gun, choke and ammo know that i really do care about it and how it shoots?

i already stated that i put 210 hits in a 10" circle at 40 yards, but i see that i should be concentrating on 100 hits, not 200.

can you tell me what kind of 'non-oversized' turkey target i should be using?

i would also like to know what target you are using? i bet i could learn a thing or two about what constitutes a 'vital' hit using your targets.

what method should i use to perfect my shooting ability?

at what range does your gun start not putting 100 pellets in a 10" circle?


thanks for your insight!

The 100 pellet count is to find your maximum range. How exactley did you polish your barrell? Well I am sorry that you have had to spend all the money on all of those chokes and different ammo types. Your gun seems to be doing a fine job, so don't knock mine, maybe I just got one that was built on Tuesday. I don't know, all I know is that it shoots great. I really enjoyed your calculations in the earlier post, but one thing that you cannot calculate is how pellets fly. Just like every gun is different I am sure every shell has a variation also. Thank you.

why wont you answer any of my questions? i could really use the insight.
can you tell me how your pellets fly?
can you tell me what your maximum range is?
how did you polish your barrel?
i'm not knocking your gun. i'm trying to learn how to make my gun shoot as well as yours. you said that anyone could get your results if they spent the time with their gun. i just want to know your secrets.

Anybody that knows how to pace off 40 yards accuratly(give or take a yard) and has done any kind of patterning sessions with a few different choke/gun set ups, knows this is not happening!!!

Even with the world famous Rhino/Nitro choke combo

I would just squash this one

lol...............i should stop messin' with this topic, but it's too easy.
318 total pellets in that round and this guy is getting 46 of them to hits VITALS at 60 yards.............SURE
there are only a few explanations: 1) he's a liar 2) he doesn't know what 'vitals' are 3) he over estimated the distance by 30 yards 4) he's got the world's most insane pattern

i would have to go with one of the first three, seeing that he wont answer any of the simple questions i asked.

Pace off 40 yards...we used a rangefinder when we set up our shooting range..thanks. as to hhow many pellets do I feel comfortable shooting in thekill zone to be deadly? I don't know I took two shots last year one in the spring that was 52 and one in the fall that was maybe 49 -50 yards and the birds dropped dead. I don't think I would shoot over 55, to be safe. If you go to the NWTF board there is a thread with the tips on how to polish your barrell this iswhat I did and took it one step further and used finer material. The comment on how my pellets fly was to configure how you and your formula were calculated. The fly straight and true and smack the target everytime. It is so hard for some of you to imagine that someone can acheive what I have done(pictures will be posted soon) as to being a liar..... I am far from that, I am not some kid on here boasting about inaptainable results.Things you must consider; temperature, humidity,wind etc. I spent half a day shooting and I am still am not done tuning my gun yet. I will shoot tomorrow. For not answering your question, I don't feel like I need to answer your ridicule and concerns, and I work on the weekends so I can't sit on the computer all day either.My results are probabley not much different than yours at 40 yards, yes at 25-30 yards there was a huge hole blown through the target and the plywood. I am taking this into consideration as to a close range shot.Thanks again. happy shooting

lol..........answer this one simple question. how many pellets did you get inthat 10" at circle at 60 yards?

First off, I have no opinion on this thread and I am only posting for one simple reason.

Squidkid...before you go off on a rant about how "wrong" someother person is, why don't you make sure you are correct first. Youconstantly use the number "46," when TurkeyStalker has clearly posted many times over that the number of hits is "43." Granted this does not change your calculations in any significant way, but it does however damage your credibility because it shows that you can't evenread/copy numbers correctly.

Just my $.02