The Mismanagement of the PA Deer Herd
10-27-2010, 09:14 AM
#71
Giant Nontypical
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Location: PA.
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A friend of mine belongs to a camp in (I think Lycoming county?) PA and he said over the last 4 or 5 years they have seen many more mature bucks than ever in the past. Another buddy hunts in upper bucks county (black eddy?) and he manages a nice buck every year.
Both of these guys and there camps actually scout and spend time in the woods though.
Both of these guys and there camps actually scout and spend time in the woods though.
that i agree on but you may not see buck for MILES and very few doe and little bucks.
allowing kids to shoot the little bucks is causing the program to not work.
crews are shooting at ANY buck and calling for kids to come tag the buck.
we had kid shoot 3 bear ,yes mother with cubs and call to DADs to BRING MORE TAGS DAD.
we must make the spike 3 point and under for kids just there first year,like 12.also the mentoured thing is joke.
6 year old shooting a 12 point and when asked what gun did you use. she said,WEE-O-8.what joke that has become but great thing for ones that are doing it.
i turned 2 crews for shooting spike bucks by adults, 2 crews..i told them to their faces i would stand in court to prosecute them.
these hunters are ruining our sport. you can see i am very mad
10-27-2010, 01:00 PM
#72
Nontypical Buck
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that is true but not MANY more mature bucks.i guess you could say, 5 years ago i saw 2 eight point bucks out of 5 bucks and now see 4 eight point bucks out of 5.
that i agree on but you may not see buck for MILES and very few doe and little bucks.
allowing kids to shoot the little bucks is causing the program to not work.
crews are shooting at ANY buck and calling for kids to come tag the buck.
we had kid shoot 3 bear ,yes mother with cubs and call to DADs to BRING MORE TAGS DAD.
we must make the spike 3 point and under for kids just there first year,like 12.also the mentoured thing is joke.
6 year old shooting a 12 point and when asked what gun did you use. she said,WEE-O-8.what joke that has become but great thing for ones that are doing it.
i turned 2 crews for shooting spike bucks by adults, 2 crews..i told them to their faces i would stand in court to prosecute them.
these hunters are ruining our sport. you can see i am very mad
that i agree on but you may not see buck for MILES and very few doe and little bucks.
allowing kids to shoot the little bucks is causing the program to not work.
crews are shooting at ANY buck and calling for kids to come tag the buck.
we had kid shoot 3 bear ,yes mother with cubs and call to DADs to BRING MORE TAGS DAD.
we must make the spike 3 point and under for kids just there first year,like 12.also the mentoured thing is joke.
6 year old shooting a 12 point and when asked what gun did you use. she said,WEE-O-8.what joke that has become but great thing for ones that are doing it.
i turned 2 crews for shooting spike bucks by adults, 2 crews..i told them to their faces i would stand in court to prosecute them.
these hunters are ruining our sport. you can see i am very mad
There is no place where there's no bucks for miles.
10-27-2010, 02:21 PM
#73
Nontypical Buck
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There is no place where there's no bucks for miles.
10-28-2010, 05:52 AM
#74
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10-29-2010, 05:56 AM
#76
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No there isn't.The only areas that have no deer in 2G are the areas with the worst habitat and those areas still have deer.One area you claim has no deer has been proven to have over 20 dpsm over the winter in the way of actually counting the deer by infrared surveys.That doesn't get them all so that's a minimum count.You need to get out of your truck Sproul.
10-29-2010, 08:05 AM
#77
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No there isn't.The only areas that have no deer in 2G are the areas with the worst habitat and those areas still have deer.One area you claim has no deer has been proven to have over 20 dpsm over the winter in the way of actually counting the deer by infrared surveys.That doesn't get them all so that's a minimum count.You need to get out of your truck Sproul.
11-26-2010, 09:42 AM
#78
Spike
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The relationship of Alt and Eveland over 30 years ago is irrelevant. Let's see if you can refute the facts he presented regarding those that were behind the new DMP and the drive for extreme herd reduction. All of that information has been documented over the last 10 years and you can't provide anything to refute it.
So If the guy is spinning tales about his background, logic would dictate that his video claims are home spun as well. Especially after his claims have been debunked many times over the years. Some claims are very outlandish! He just seems to be recycling conspiracies. I guess that's why those videos fizzled out pretty quick.
11-26-2010, 12:14 PM
#79
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So If the guy is spinning tales about his background, logic would dictate that his video claims are home spun as well. Especially after his claims have been debunked many times over the years. Some claims are very outlandish! He just seems to be recycling conspiracies. I guess that's why those videos fizzled out pretty quic
