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The Mismanagement of the PA Deer Herd

Old 09-24-2010, 01:31 PM
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The Allegheny County Sportsmans League produced a series of Utube videos featuring John Eveland. The first 3 in the series are about Eveland's research on bear and elk for the PGC. The remaining 5 in the series explain what groups were behind the push for massive herd reduction.

Here are the links.



Part 1 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_XWCtL3EEc

Part 2 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3zl8FUEgmk

Part 3 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG6Yb5QnoFQ

Part 4 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISihJZBj4S8

Part 5 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUQvjNFPYnQ

Part 6 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tERrTqhLrxY

Part 7 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lCmJiwmPf8

Part 8 of 8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb93vc0H6mw
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:19 PM
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Yep,already discovered that the guy never worked for the PGC,Alt claims he doesn't know him,no one can find any evidence that he ever wrote any management plan for Pa.Seems like a big farce to me.
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DougE View Post
Yep,already discovered that the guy never worked for the PGC,Alt claims he doesn't know him,no one can find any evidence that he ever wrote any management plan for Pa.Seems like a big farce to me.
The relationship of Alt and Eveland over 30 years ago is irrelevant. Let's see if you can refute the facts he presented regarding those that were behind the new DMP and the drive for extreme herd reduction. All of that information has been documented over the last 10 years and you can't provide anything to refute it.
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:04 AM
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Here is an example of the unintended consequences of the deer overkill in the NC counties. Now they are begging hunters to come back Elk and Forest Co to keep the herds at the current low levels.

Deer hunters need to come back to Elk and McKean counties like they did years ago so that hunter numbers are high enough to move the deer around. About four years ago, deer numbers were at the lowest that most hunters had ever seen in WMUs 2G, 2F and 3A, but those numbers have increased for the last four summers in a row. This yearís fawn sightings are up, as well as adult does and all age-classes of bucks. Numbers of older mature bucks are up and some very nice-sized antlers are being seen. Hunters need to change their hunting methods these days to adapt to the changed habitat. In recent years, the timbered areas have grown back very thick and even some un-timbered areas now have small trees, shrubs and briers growing thickly. This makes excellent cover for deer and makes it very difficult for hunters to see deer. The best way to improve oneís chances of seeing deer is to have a few more hunters moving around in the same areas as each other. Years ago, deer had very little good cover compared to what they now have to hide in. Todayís deer can lay still in thickets and almost never move for days when only an occasional hunter or two sits in the area or passes through the area. Years ago, one could see a hundred yards or more in every direction in many of the forests up here. Today, the thicker plant growth limits visibility in many areas to less than 20 yards or so. With this limited visibility and the great increase in cover, deer now have the odds heavily in their favor to escape being seen. One cannot stress this enough in many areas of these WMUS. However, if youíre still hunting an area that does not have this abundant cover, if youíre still hunting and area that has mature trees and very little undergrowth and had mostly ferns and leaves on the forest floor and few small trees and shrubs, you will not find many deer living there. Although acorns are abundant this fall, deer need plentiful food year-round in the form of small trees, small shrubs, wildflowers and vines to live in plentiful numbers. This yearís acorns will help some, but a mature forest with little understory to make food and cover still have low numbers of deer. Try hunting new areas and new methods with some friends. Timbered areas with thick cover and mature forests with thicker understories make the best places for deer to hide. This, in turn, makes the best places for groups of hunters to move deer and make them more visible to other hunters. The weather plays a huge role in hunterís ability to see and harvest deer. Snow and cold weather helps out immensely to make both hunters and deer move, to provide easy tracking and to make visibility much better. If you have not had much luck in the beginning of the season consider coming back with friends to hunt later in the season when snow is more likely to improve hunting conditions. Those who put in more time and try these methods will see more deer on many occasions. Once again, deer hunters need to come back to many areas of McKean and Elk counties like they did years ago. In many areas where 10 to 15 cars used to be parked on the opening day, there are only one or two vehicles there now, and in some places no hunters are in the woods. Hunter pressure is so low in some areas that the deer do not even know that deer season has started. Itís time to come back to some of the McKean and Elk County areas where the habitat has improved. Fair to good
That is from John Dzemyan who is the land manager for 2F ,2G and 3A.
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2 View Post
Here is an example of the unintended consequences of the deer overkill in the NC counties. Now they are begging hunters to come back Elk and Forest Co to keep the herds at the current low levels.



That is from John Dzemyan who is the land manager for 2F ,2G and 3A.
From reading that article, it seems the deer have some good habitat in which to thrive and survive in. Should make for some good hunting oppturnities for some one who wants to put forth a little effort to harvest a whitetail.
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Old 09-25-2010, 08:06 AM
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I've watched all of those videos before. Lot's of interesting information. It's like any other conspiracy theory, until corroborated by another credible source, it's hard to just believe it hook line and sinker. I will say, I agree the last thing we should want as PA hunters is for the PA Game Commission to fail and the DCNR to take over game management.
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:24 AM
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The involvement of the various special interest groups in promoting the plan no longer qualifies as a conspiracy theory. The involvement by each group can be easily documented on the internet and the QDMA made their continued support of the DMP quite clear in their 2010 position letter from the QDMA.
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:33 AM
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3 or 4000 more posts and it should be settled.
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Old 09-26-2010, 09:08 AM
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There will be a new governer in office soon maybe the states stragidy will change who knows.A smart candidate would add hunting talk to there election platform.But then we have all heard empty promises from polititions.
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Old 09-27-2010, 05:04 AM
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PGC,Alt claims he doesn't know him

Alt also claimed we would have ." more and larger buck than ever before", the buck harvest would return to normal in 2003 and ARs would reduce the breeding window and increase recruitment. None of that was true ,so why should we believe him now?
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