Buck Magnet

Okay, First, I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO A BASH ALT OR BASH PEOPLE WHO DON'T SUPPORT ALT topic.

I simply want to know what you think about antler restrictions/baiting/smaller management units/cutting the population in half.....

I want to know if you feel it will be a short term or long term effect.

I am right in between the cases. I can see how the antler restrictions would help save SOME of the younger bucks, but it won't save the majority of them. I can see how small mangement units would be useful, but it will come with a huge price tag. I can see how cutting hte population in half could make some of the over populated areas better, but there are spots where there isn't an over population too, so what will happen to those areas. I can see how the early rifle/muzzleloader season will help kill off does before breeding, but it does make the time for archers in the woods less enjoyable. I don't see the point of bringing in crossbows, if they are legallized, fine, but I just don't see the point. I can see allowing people to bait because it will help kill off the herd a litte more, but there is always the chance of diseases being spread. I can see how having a buck/doe tag would be better than our system now, but there are draw backs to that too. I just want to know what you feel about these proposals. Like I said before, NO BASHING, lets TRY to keep this civil, you guys know who you are.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

cardeer

Antler restrictions would be ok If you shot a button buck you would have to use your buck tag on it.
Smaller management units ,you bet would be great
Cut the deer herd in Half,NO. increase the habitate and farm the gamelands
No baiting PERIOD
Develope special surburban hunts
Subsidize privatebland owners for allowing hunting.
No x-bows except handicapped
Early muzzy and rifle for doe-I'll go for that Cause I like huntin in the warm weather.
Create special area ,(National Parks and ETC. that at this time are closed to hunting just for handicapped hunters.

Buck Magnet

Wow Cardeer

I think that is the best plan that I have heard yet. It incoorperates everyone, while still being fair. I truly like the sounds of that.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

buckhunter3

I would agree with cardeer on most issues except,I would not like to see the early M/L and firearms season.Instead I would like to see Multiple doe tags for archery hunters.If you shoot a doe you can get another tag over the counter like some states.Also a system where on your reg. tag there is a place for a buck,doe,butt.buck to get an exact count on all deer harvested.I would want to see A/R but as it is proven, when there are too many deer for the capacity of the land it has to be an across the board reduction to keep the herd healthy.
If you harvest 30% of the herd including bucks and doe's the herd will grow 40%.
If you don't shoot enough doe and only include the harvest of bigger bucks there will not be a reduction in the herd for the next year and a problem with land capacity.

Buck Magnet

WOW, I am amazed, NO BASHING. I am glad that this post hasn't succome to the typical Pennsylvania Bash-Fest. Keep um commin guys.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

mhogan

I support Dr. Gary Alt. He works very hard at deer management and always puts out effort above and beyond the call. He could easily of just gone along for the ride. But he saw problems and strapped on his seat belt and is trying to fix things. It's his field. If I thought he stopped working with the best interest of the deer in mind, I would be the first to call for a grand jury investigation. But until then, I will support him.

BTBowhunter

Ok here are my ideas :

Antler restrictions as now proposed

1 Male deer tag per hunter per season, no exceptions! a second male deer by mistake costs you next years male deer tag.

Early October doe kill with guns but allow the archers a few weeks of undisturbed hunting beforehand using the earn a buck concept to encourage doe kills.

Crossbows in gun seasons only for the able bodied and for disabled, keep it as it now is in archery season.

Smaller management units where feasible

Check stations run like W Va runs em.

Incorporate the attitude that it's better to kill a mature doe than an immature buck into hunter-ed courses and all other PGC communications.

Keep Gary Alt right where he is. No he aint God but he is well qualified and is up to the challenges ahead.

Be ready to tweak and fine tune any of the above if they have less than ideal results.

Just my $.02 <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ledgen LS

I knew you guys just couldn't leave out the comments about crossbows.
The topic was about proposals...wasn't it?
Also i'm glad to see cardeer's comments on baiting

PABowhntr

Don't count your chickens just yet Buck Magnet. The &quot;bashing&quot; doesn't usually occur till a thread gets to its second page...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>.

I usually don't post on any Pennsylvania thread anymore because I grow weary of having my opinions questioned at every turn.

My opinion....I really have no opinion on 95% of the stuff listed in your original post. I hope PA maintains a healthy deer herd and that all of the problems with damaging farmer's crops and suburban areas gets resolved.

I hope everybody gets what they want, but.....

NO RIFLE IN OCTOBER!

(Sorry, didn't mean to yell, <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>)

Pinwheel 12

Being a NR and on the &quot;outside looking in&quot; even tho I have been a regular hunter of PA for the past couple of decades, my opinion would be almost a mirror-image of BTBowhunters' post. (Well done! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>)With the exception of course of the early rifle season,none allowed unless they start Archery in early Sept and give us a month of undisturbed hunting. I have no problem personally with an increase in NR license fees, provided we are given an opportunity at either sex through the original backtag and archery license, or through an &quot;earn a buck&quot; program. Lottery system for does tags that is currently in use out unless simply for EXTRA does,not your first (at least for a few years, see how things go) make up the difference in revenue on the original backtag or archery license. ONE male deer per year, no matter how it is done, Archery, rifle, crossbow, slingshot, slingblade, whatever. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/14/2002 05:30:09