What to do with the crossbows.
02-06-2009 | 06:42 PM
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RE: What to do with the crossbows.
ORIGINAL: the outsider
In those general fund states the license fees just help augment the tax dollars being used for wildlife management. But, hey hunters in this state are afraid of that type of funding. I guess Pennsylvania hunters don’t trust their politicians enough to allow tax dollars being used in wildlife management like occurs in all those other states.
R.S. Bodenhorn
What does this mean? Do we, as hunters have some control overwhere the funds come from?
In those general fund states the license fees just help augment the tax dollars being used for wildlife management. But, hey hunters in this state are afraid of that type of funding. I guess Pennsylvania hunters don’t trust their politicians enough to allow tax dollars being used in wildlife management like occurs in all those other states.
R.S. Bodenhorn
What does this mean? Do we, as hunters have some control overwhere the funds come from?
It means that the vast majority of states fund their wildlife management through general tax dollars that their legislative branch of government allocates to the agency in charge of their wildlife on an annual bases.
Those states obviously trust their Legislature to keep hunting and wildlife management out of the hands of the anti-hunters and other extremists.
In Pennsylvania there are no general fund moneys coming from the Legislature to management any type of wildlife, including those that aren’t hunted, and it is all funded with hunter’s dollars through license fees. The Pennsylvania hunters say they don’t want to pay more for a hunting license yet they also say they don’t want anyone other then hunters funding wildlife management because they are afraid the anti-hunters and other adverse groups will have too much say in wildlife management.
My question is that if that isn’t a problem in all of those majority of the states across this nation why would it be a problem here. Is it that our hunters don’t trust their legislature to have the same respect for hunter interests and built in safeguards as all of those other states? I am just trying to understand just what it is hunters are so afraid of and why, as far as it relates to using general funds in wildlife management. It works everywhere else, I don’t understand why it wouldn’t work here, too.
R.S. Bodenhorn
02-06-2009 | 06:46 PM
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RE: What to do with the crossbows.
Yep. Big pile ofBS. Only about 40% of fees come from hunting licenses. The rest comes from other sources other than license fees.
It's 46.46% revenue from hunting license sales.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=523&q=173316
It's 46.46% revenue from hunting license sales.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=523&q=173316
02-06-2009 | 06:47 PM
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RE: What to do with the crossbows.
"It means that the vast majority of states fund their wildlife management through general tax dollars that their legislative branch of government allocates to the agency in charge of their wildlife on an annual bases. "
What you arent taking into account is the fact those states have a fraction the paying hunters Pa has.
"Those states obviously trust their Legislature to keep hunting and wildlife management out of the hands of the anti-hunters and other extremists."
Those states have paid professionals that are accountable for their actions. Not handpicked stacked volunteers who dont know their anus from a hole in the ground, and a non-answeringindependent agency. Combining that with alternate fundingis NOT what other states have and would be a nightmare.
" The Pennsylvania hunters say they don’t want to pay more for a hunting license yet they also say they don’t want anyone other then hunters funding wildlife management because they are afraid the anti-hunters and other adverse groups will have too much say in wildlife management."
And thats also the reason hunters dont want topay now. Treehuggers dictating our game management.
What you arent taking into account is the fact those states have a fraction the paying hunters Pa has.
"Those states obviously trust their Legislature to keep hunting and wildlife management out of the hands of the anti-hunters and other extremists."
Those states have paid professionals that are accountable for their actions. Not handpicked stacked volunteers who dont know their anus from a hole in the ground, and a non-answeringindependent agency. Combining that with alternate fundingis NOT what other states have and would be a nightmare.
" The Pennsylvania hunters say they don’t want to pay more for a hunting license yet they also say they don’t want anyone other then hunters funding wildlife management because they are afraid the anti-hunters and other adverse groups will have too much say in wildlife management."
And thats also the reason hunters dont want topay now. Treehuggers dictating our game management.
02-06-2009 | 06:50 PM
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RE: What to do with the crossbows.
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
What is really obvious is that you know far less about what I want or stand for then you think you do.
I have spent a lifetime standing up for the best possible management or our resources and for the betterment of hunting and the hunter while people like you have done your best to destroy all of those things.
It is really quite simple, if hunters aren’t willing or even demanding that they adequately fund wildlife management then any RESPONSIBLE person that cares about the future of wildlife and hunting has to look for other methods of funding wildlife management. If you aren’t smart enough to figure that out that I don’t figure you as much of a benefit to the future of hunting or wildlife and nothing more then part of the problem.
R.S. Bodenhorn
ORIGINAL: Maverick 1
D i c k,
We already know what your pathetic opinion is of hunters. We also know how you would like to see the commission held less acountable to hunters. That is what is in your heart. It has nothing to do with the cost of a hunting license.
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
The bottom line is that the money to run each state’s wildlife programs has to come form somewhere. Hunter’s in this state have to date wanted to be the sole source of wildlife management funding and they are with the exception of the slight revenue from timber, minerals or restricted use federal funds so it will either cost them more or they will simply end up with less in wildlife management then states that are better funded with tax dollars.
In those general fund states the license fees just help augment the tax dollars being used for wildlife management. But, hey hunters in this state are afraid of that type of funding. I guess Pennsylvania hunters don’t trust their politicians enough to allow tax dollars being used in wildlife management like occurs in all those other states.
R.S. Bodenhorn
The bottom line is that the money to run each state’s wildlife programs has to come form somewhere. Hunter’s in this state have to date wanted to be the sole source of wildlife management funding and they are with the exception of the slight revenue from timber, minerals or restricted use federal funds so it will either cost them more or they will simply end up with less in wildlife management then states that are better funded with tax dollars.
In those general fund states the license fees just help augment the tax dollars being used for wildlife management. But, hey hunters in this state are afraid of that type of funding. I guess Pennsylvania hunters don’t trust their politicians enough to allow tax dollars being used in wildlife management like occurs in all those other states.
R.S. Bodenhorn
We already know what your pathetic opinion is of hunters. We also know how you would like to see the commission held less acountable to hunters. That is what is in your heart. It has nothing to do with the cost of a hunting license.
What is really obvious is that you know far less about what I want or stand for then you think you do.
I have spent a lifetime standing up for the best possible management or our resources and for the betterment of hunting and the hunter while people like you have done your best to destroy all of those things.
It is really quite simple, if hunters aren’t willing or even demanding that they adequately fund wildlife management then any RESPONSIBLE person that cares about the future of wildlife and hunting has to look for other methods of funding wildlife management. If you aren’t smart enough to figure that out that I don’t figure you as much of a benefit to the future of hunting or wildlife and nothing more then part of the problem.
R.S. Bodenhorn
02-06-2009 | 06:52 PM
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RE: What to do with the crossbows.
ORIGINAL: the outsider
So we can tell them we want wildlife management to come from the general fund and it will happen? And we can elect the BOC?
ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack
Yes, Tax payers have a big say so in this. It is their money and if they want re-elected they better listen to the tax payers. Besides that.Isn't there a little box you check if you want to donate a dollar to wildlife on the income tax return? That should tell you if the PA residents wants to fund the wild life program.
ORIGINAL: the outsider
In those general fund states the license fees just help augment the tax dollars being used for wildlife management. But, hey hunters in this state are afraid of that type of funding. I guess Pennsylvania hunters don’t trust their politicians enough to allow tax dollars being used in wildlife management like occurs in all those other states.
R.S. Bodenhorn
What does this mean? Do we, as hunters have some control overwhere the funds come from?
In those general fund states the license fees just help augment the tax dollars being used for wildlife management. But, hey hunters in this state are afraid of that type of funding. I guess Pennsylvania hunters don’t trust their politicians enough to allow tax dollars being used in wildlife management like occurs in all those other states.
R.S. Bodenhorn
What does this mean? Do we, as hunters have some control overwhere the funds come from?
If enough people demanded that change, a Legislator drafted the Bill and then if enough Legislators voted favorably just about anything could happen.
As hunters we have to figure out what would result in good changes and what would be harmful for the future of our resources. We then need to do our part to let the State Legislature know our views and why we think it would be better. Some people though seem to just use the Legislature to make unreasonable demands that are more intended to do harm then good.
R.S. Bodenhorn
02-06-2009 | 06:57 PM
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RE: What to do with the crossbows.
ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack
Yep. Big pile ofBS. Only about 40% of fees come from hunting licenses. The rest comes from other sources other than license fees.
It's 46.46% revenue from hunting license sales.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=523&q=173316
Yep. Big pile ofBS. Only about 40% of fees come from hunting licenses. The rest comes from other sources other than license fees.
It's 46.46% revenue from hunting license sales.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=523&q=173316
And the rest of it comes from the land the hunting license, bought by hunters of the past, have purchased for the future. It still all comes from hunters with no general funds dollars.
R.S. Bodenhorn