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Old 11-27-2007, 08:32 PM
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I WOULD KILL A 10lbs BEAR!!!!!!!! AND BE PROUD OF IT,FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IS THAT YOU GUYS THAT ARE KNOCKING THESE HUNTERS NEVER HUNTED BEAR BEFORE.I BEEN HUNTING THEM FOR 13 YEARS AND NEVER SEEN A BEAR.YES WE HAVE HAD GUYS IN MY PARTY GET THEM. WE HUNT HARD ALL THREE DAYS.AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THEN SHOOTING A 6 MONTH FAWN!!!! AND I KNOW THAT PROBLY YOU GUYS HAVE KILLED A FAWN. I KNOW I HAVE BUT I DON'T ANYMORE AND ONCE I GET ONE THEN I WOULD LET A LITTLE BEAR GO,BUT TILL THEN THEY BETTER TAKE COVER
Couldn't you see shooting a black squirrel and tagging it with your bear tag and driving to the bear check station?
That would be hillarious and get quite a few laughs also.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:11 AM
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I hope to God you both mixed up your medication this morning. To promote shooting cubs is beyond comprehention, if you honestly compare the wanten killing of a sow with cubs to hunting bears you just might be a candidate for the price is right. Can you imagine the day when you boss says hey your taxi just called and said your bear was done you can pick it up after work, but bring some help cause this aint going in the glovebox without help .
Sorry, but I actually would NOT shoot a 500lbs bear if it walked right in front of me! How do you like them bananas??? I would not eat bear meat, would not care to make a rug out of it, so why should I shoot one? I however have NO problem with anyone shooting whatever is legal to shoot if they so desire. As I said the states goal is to reduce the population so to do this they allow any size animal to be taken. If you are appalled by hunters killing certain animals, then you should probably give up hunting altogether.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:21 AM
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steve, please dont take this as insult. its story time from the sproulman. our family was raised as hunters and sportsman. our dads taught us to have game you have to take care of it. this means not shooting little bucks and fawns. we only took mature doe if there was to many,NEVER FAWNS or small spike bucks..now hunters cant tell difference on fawn or doe... now, on to bears, we were never allowed to shoot cub years ago,we would not even shoot mother with cubs. usually the young mothers will stay out longer to help feed the cubs. this is why you see so many small mothers and little 40 pd cubs shot.. the big mothers, like 300 and above with cubs or without will go to sleep sooner,so they make it through.. some say its trophy to get any size bear. most that say that were never in woods enough to learn size of bear or trying to protect the little bears . we were forunate to have great dads that took time to take us into woods. we hunted in gangs in bear season, you were allowed 1 bear for every crew of 25. no cubs could be shot or were. my dad was gang leader, he would say at camp,KIDS AND DADS, REMEMBER DONT SHOOT BEAR UNLESS YOU HAVE CLEAR SHOT AND YOU KNOW ITS A BIG BEAR WITHOUT CUBS TAGGING ALONG. i knew WCO here in clinton county for all my life,he was great person. my uncle was very poor, wco would bring him a cub bear that was shot by mistake. after taking to him, he would tell us how many cubs were shot by mistake. it was not more than 2 or 3,yes 2 or 3............. now onto today. hunters dont wait to see if bear is big or small, they dont have to,its legal to kill cub . do you know that most cubs are killed laying on mother or they go up tree next to her, mother trained them to do that. what kind of people do we have that are shooting cubs laying next to mother or that go up tree? do you know that a lot of cubs are shot by 1 person,then they get on radio and call for others to come tag the cubs.. i bet wcos have heard it. they hear it all time on deer, hey fellas, bring over some tags. as long as hunters can shoot cub legally, many will but i dont feel its something to be proud about. now, we hear some say, sproul there is to many bears.. well, i disagree, if so, those 10,000 bear hunters that hunted clinton county would have shot more than 125 bear or so. think about it, all those hunters thousands and they only get 120 bear each year? as for complaints on bear damage, we had very few complaints this year. now that complaints are down,they say,WELL WE NEED TO KILL BEAR CUBS BECAUSE NO FOOD.. so, its food now, not complaints. just think of nice bears we could have each year if mother/cubs were let go. canada is doing this in certain areas, you cant kill mother with cubs. i passed on mother and 2 cubs last year in hyner run area. i also know a hunter from lock haven also passed on mother and 2 cubs, maybe same bears as we were hunting in same area. so, you see there are hunters that hold to belief that we are giving bears a chance to grow up and be nice size bear to harvest. thats why they did not let you kill cub years ago. today, its kill off deer,thats happening in WMU2G. it seems that management of deer/bear is only to try to sell more licenses. more hunters getting bear means more money taken in.. i feel that we should go back to old way,1 bear per crew ,no cubs as most bear are killed by crews driving them. 1 bear if person is hunting alone. i feel season should be longer so the bear population could be kept in check as cubs will now be turning into adult bears,which means more bear to hunt. so, they could make the fri/ sat before buck season 2 extra days to hunt bear. this would be 5 days to hunt them BUT no cubs to be shot. thing that bothers me with hunters that shoot a bear cub. they say, well he was running at 150 yds, could not tell size. he was in laural, could not tell. i believe they are telling truth, they dont know because they never had to learn what a cub looked like in wild. we had time to be in woods, saw bear all time.. today, no one has time ,so they dont know. and law says,YOU DONT HAVE TO KNOW SIZE. thank god we have hunters that DO LOOK. if not,you would not have many bears left. i believe this is reason we have bear here in pa. many are leaving cubs go,you just dont hear about it. i hope this helped and understand, you have to be raised to look at game as trying to make sure there is game in future for us and kids that will follow. without sportsman like this, our future does not look ver y bright.take care......
You surely have the right to shoot whatever you wish as long as it is within the law. If you want to only shoot mature animals, that is your decision and I can't argue with you on it. You should not judge others however who are happy with smaller animals. If they are happy with it and make use of the animals meat or hide, that is all that really matters. The states sell us licenses to help control the animal populations. I can assure you that they can care less whether trophy sized animals are being shot or only yearlings. You obviously have your opinions on these things, but in the grand scale of controlling animal populations they matter very little.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:18 AM
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I think that many of you hunters are very critical. I dont think that you should shoot cubs but a trophy in some peoples eye's is not a trophy in other peoples eyes. Bear hunting is tough. I probably would shoot a small bear if it was my first one too. You only got 3 days to hunt and thats during the week.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:10 AM
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I WOULD KILL A 10lbs BEAR!!!!!!!! AND BE PROUD OF IT,FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IS THAT YOU GUYS THAT ARE KNOCKING THESE HUNTERS NEVER HUNTED BEAR BEFORE.I BEEN HUNTING THEM FOR 13 YEARS AND NEVER SEEN A BEAR.YES WE HAVE HAD GUYS IN MY PARTY GET THEM. WE HUNT HARD ALL THREE DAYS.AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THEN SHOOTING A 6 MONTH FAWN!!!! AND I KNOW THAT PROBLY YOU GUYS HAVE KILLED A FAWN. I KNOW I HAVE BUT I DON'T ANYMORE AND ONCE I GET ONE THEN I WOULD LET A LITTLE BEAR GO,BUT TILL THEN THEY BETTER TAKE COVER
Couldn't you see shooting a black squirrel and tagging it with your bear tag and driving to the bear check station?
That would be hillarious and get quite a few laughs also.

slimshady123,people that shoot cub want to be KNOWN as a great bear hunter,yeaaaaaaaaaaa.
they live for attention,this gets them ATTENTION.

but i notice that most stand outside when they go to weight the bear and they make them come in and stand next to it.

now they are LEAVING GUTS in cubs, i wonder why if they are so proud to be a great bear hunter.

i hunter made statement about his big cub kill.

he said,GUYS I AMD HAVING IT MOUNTED AND PUT OVER THE FIREPLACE..

i guess he wants to have memories of that great bear cub kill he had as he gets older.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:13 PM
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As for you saying that the sow and cubs shot by the same hunter then call their buddies on the radio to come tag them. I don't think that is a case. They see the cubs tree they might call their buddies to come shoot them,But I don't think they would shoot them their self. I wouldn't want a friend like that to hunt bear with and prob wouldn't hunt with them again nor would I tag the bear he has shot
Both scenarios you listed are illegal. To radio your friends about a treed bear is illegal as well. I don't like stories about bear cubs being killed by hunters here in Pa. Unfortunately it's still legal and if guys need to boost their egos by killing a 50lb cub so be it. But don't expect to not hear criticism from guys who disagree with your chest pounding.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:30 PM
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Unlike deer hunting and growing trophies, I think Bear hunting is PA is a sport of population control. A few years ago, I passed up a 40-50 pound bear traveling alone and later in the day while talking to a warden, he told me that I should have shot. The PGC wants to reduce the numbers and keep the population in check. Shoot all bears. Maybe not what we hunters have in mind but we have ethics and we also are conservationists working for the good of all. JMHO.
Deer hunting is population control also. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter one bit if it's a small bear or big bear or small buck or big buck as long as the herd is being reduced. Of course you will have some of the mighty hunters come along and tell you how they only shoot mature animals and let the little ones walk. I have a hunch that these hunters care more about their egos than they do about helping control the bear or deer populations for which the states issue us hunting licenses first and foremost.

steve, please dont take this as insult.
its story time from the sproulman.
our family was raised as hunters and sportsman.
our dads taught us to have game you have to take care of it.

this means not shooting little bucks and fawns.
we only took mature doe if there was to many,NEVER FAWNS or small spike bucks..now hunters cant tell difference on fawn or doe...

now, on to bears, we were never allowed to shoot cub years ago,we would not even shoot mother with cubs.
usually the young mothers will stay out longer to help feed the cubs.
this is why you see so many small mothers and little 40 pd cubs shot..
the big mothers, like 300 and above with cubs or without will go to sleep sooner,so they make it through..

some say its trophy to get any size bear.
most that say that were never in woods enough to learn size of bear or trying to protect the little bears .

we were forunate to have great dads that took time to take us into woods.
we hunted in gangs in bear season, you were allowed 1 bear for every crew of 25.
no cubs could be shot or were.
my dad was gang leader, he would say at camp,KIDS AND DADS, REMEMBER DONT SHOOT BEAR UNLESS YOU HAVE CLEAR SHOT AND YOU KNOW ITS A BIG BEAR WITHOUT CUBS TAGGING ALONG.

i knew WCO here in clinton county for all my life,he was great person.
my uncle was very poor, wco would bring him a cub bear that was shot by mistake.
after taking to him, he would tell us how many cubs were shot by mistake.
it was not more than 2 or 3,yes 2 or 3.............

now onto today.
hunters dont wait to see if bear is big or small, they dont have to,its legal to kill cub .
do you know that most cubs are killed laying on mother or they go up tree next to her, mother trained them to do that.
what kind of people do we have that are shooting cubs laying next to mother or that go up tree?
do you know that a lot of cubs are shot by 1 person,then they get on radio and call for others to come tag the cubs..


i bet wcos have heard it.
they hear it all time on deer, hey fellas, bring over some tags.

as long as hunters can shoot cub legally, many will but i dont feel its something to be proud about.

now, we hear some say, sproul there is to many bears..
well, i disagree, if so, those 10,000 bear hunters that hunted clinton county would have shot more than 125 bear or so.

think about it, all those hunters thousands and they only get 120 bear each year?

as for complaints on bear damage, we had very few complaints this year.
now that complaints are down,they say,WELL WE NEED TO KILL BEAR CUBS BECAUSE NO FOOD..
so, its food now, not complaints.

just think of nice bears we could have each year if mother/cubs were let go.

canada is doing this in certain areas, you cant kill mother with cubs.

i passed on mother and 2 cubs last year in hyner run area.
i also know a hunter from lock haven also passed on mother and 2 cubs, maybe same bears as we were hunting in same area.

so, you see there are hunters that hold to belief that we are giving bears a chance to grow up and be nice size bear to harvest.

thats why they did not let you kill cub years ago.

today, its kill off deer,thats happening in WMU2G.

it seems that management of deer/bear is only to try to sell more licenses.
more hunters getting bear means more money taken in..

i feel that we should go back to old way,1 bear per crew ,no cubs as most bear are killed by crews driving them.
1 bear if person is hunting alone.

i feel season should be longer so the bear population could be kept in check as cubs will now be turning into adult bears,which means more bear to hunt.
so, they could make the fri/sat before buck season 2 extra days to hunt bear.
this would be 5 days to hunt them BUT no cubs to be shot.

thing that bothers me with hunters that shoot a bear cub.

they say, well he was running at 150 yds, could not tell size.
he was in laural, could not tell.

i believe they are telling truth, they dont know because they never had to learn what a cub looked like in wild.
we had time to be in woods, saw bear all time..
today, no one has time ,so they dont know.

and law says,YOU DONT HAVE TO KNOW SIZE.

thank god we have hunters that DO LOOK.
if not,you would not have many bears left.
i believe this is reason we have bear here in pa.
many are leaving cubs go,you just dont hear about it.

i hope this helped and understand, you have to be raised to look at game as trying to make sure there is game in future for us and kids that will follow.

without sportsman like this, our future does not look ver y bright.take care......

Can't we all just follow the game laws and get along? Who is anyone to criticize anyone one else for what they may or may not consider a trophy?
Maybe if more hunters passed on smaller bucks we would have better quality deer in PA. Does that mean I should go out and tell people they should feel guilty about taking a 6 point or shooting a yearling? There are many kids out therethat would be overjoyed to shoot a yearling deer. I know I was when I killed my first deer---should bears recieve special regulations because they are of a different species? We can all sit in the woods and pick out yearling turkeys, deer, and bear; howeverIonly hear about the bear cubs. I don't understand.

What information do you have in regards to most bear cubs being killed by one hunter? I check the PGC site regularly and game violations such as this are posted regularly. To me it sounds like a generalization.. Someone kills somethingand you don't agree with it so now most people that do it, do it illegally... Just like when someone shoots a bear cub "they say, well he was running at 150 yards, could not tell size. he was in laurel, could not tell."---Perhaps some hunters do make those comments, but I bet many hunters are proud of what they kill.

If you want to hunt with a group of 25 people and quit after someone harvests a bear then have at it. Nobody is stopping you. You can practice whatever magement options you want (within the law). If you feel so much passion for these changes in the bear season regs, then do something about it. Write some letters, run for congress, you are obviously so much more educated than the hundreds of hunters out shooting cubs so perhaps you should look into becoming a bear biologist for the PGC. Just do something besides shaming people for legally taking what they may or may not consider a trophy. I bet a 12 year old kid would be proud to take any bear. I bet a 70 year old man who has never seen a bear in the woods would be just as proud...
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:32 AM
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i passed on a bear that was twice that size at bout 120 pounds cause i thought it was toosmall to kill....good thing where i used to live i had bears in my yard on a regular basis that i can now tell the size of bears by themselves now......................bob

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:01 PM
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i passed on a bear that was twice that size at bout 120 pounds cause i thought it was toosmall to kill....good thing where i used to live i had bears in my yard on a regular basis that i can now tell the size of bears by themselves now......................bob

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you have answer.
its legal now NOT to look at size,so poor cubs who never had chance to get big are shot.

you look and i have looked as i have been REQUIRED years ago to LOOK.

but you know, a bear hunter that is concerned that cub gets bigger will LOOK and know size of bear .there are many like us.

a cub under 100 pds is so small,i just cant believe story that they did not know its size when you see the bullet thru head at 150 yds running..my dog is 80 pds and is real small..

meat is playing purpose in this also.some are MEAT nuts.
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