Following that mentality, since there is no limit on how much beer you can buy, Anheiser Busch must be at fault for all the drunk driving accidents out there.

Since McDonalds will sell as many cheeseburgers as you want to buy, it must be their fault that Rosie ODonnell is so fat

Seriously Crazy Horse, how do you account for the fact that none of the collared deer were shot by hunters. I beleive that only one wastaken by a hunterlast year. Sounds like the hunters in that area arent effective for whatever reason.

Yes they do bait them but I wouldn't imagine it would be all that easy to capture every single deer.Then again,if every deer is coming in to a small pile or corn,the habitat can't be too great now can it be?Why do you think none of those 50 deer were harvested?If old Sproul is seeing all these guys kill does and fawns,there must be alot more out there because none of them had collars.

Last year 8% of those deer were harvested by hunters.This year none of them were.I never here you complain about the PGC 's bear estimates and that's the way they estimate the bear population.They figure out what percentage of the population is harvested by monitoring how many tagged bears come in to the check stations.If hunters are only killing 8% of the deer in an area one year and none get killed the next year,how can you blame the continual decrease of the herd on an over harvest?Feel free to consult the expert deer manager Slim Jinsky on this one.Surely he'll have the answer.He did afterall,interview the most prominent deer managers in the country.

No answer John?

"Feel free to consult the expert deer manager Slim Jinsky on this one.Surely he'll have the answer.He did afterall,interview the most prominent deer managers in the country."

Actually Doug, I dare say you would not malign the man's name to his face, and when you think about it, maligning someone's name is rather juvenile. Would you not agree?

Also, I don'tneed to consult anyone with regard to Pennsylvania's deer management. I certainly would not consult the PGC. As has been proven they are poor managers in that field.

As for interviews with prominent deer managers, Doug, I didn't know that you gave interviews!

Wih regard tothe bear count, I'm prepared to believe it's just as bad as the phony deer count. The agency's credibility went out the window when they professed that PA had 1.6 million deer.

Doug, you still hunting that 70 Deer Per Square Mile area?

Gotta go now and rest up. I just got back from hunting Pheasants in NJ (limited out) and tomorrow begins the late Woodcock hunting season. Then Pheasants again on Saturday and into the New Year. Oh, that's right, the only thing left open is Grouse in PA. So much for PA Small Game Management.

Have a good rest.Maybe an answer will come to you in your dreams.

Yeah,I hunted that area that had 70 dpsm.I killed a real nice buck and two doe in there.My season ended quickly in there so the rest of theyear I hunted in Wyoming.Cameron,Elk andClearfield county.All of that was on public dmap's land except for Wyoming county.I saw and killed deer in every area.No complaints about the deer herd here.I am a little disappointed though.I didn't get a chance to see any mountion lions or coyote/wolf hybrids.Apparently there here though becauseI ran in to an older couple on the first day ofbear season that was complaining because they've seen more black mountain lions than deerthis year.That's the honest truth.I guess they kept watching that disney movie over and over again,being that there's no record of a Black mountain lion ever.How are you guys at the USP coming along with that mountain lion theory your working on.Anyone get a big reward yet for killing one.


The Treasure lake hunt went fairly well as far as incidents go but it was far from shooting fish in a barrel.There were 120 guys hunting in there and they killed 33 doe and 4 bucks.Most of the guys appreciated the opportunity but I heardplenty of complaints from guys that weren't seeing deer at those ridiculous densities.

How could the bear count be off?You're required to check each and every one in like your organization wants to do with the deer.I thought you guy's said that would be more accurate.

Those pheasants you're hunting,are they put and take or truly wild?

I'd have no problem telling the man exactly whatI think of him directly to his face.Then again,I don't want to be involvedin a B.S. lawsuit like you guys cook up.I did get a chance to learn some things from that lawsuit so it wasn't a total loss.Now whenI scout,I know enough to look for trees that the deer have pawed up.I know some of my buddies at DCNR are really ticked of at the damage the deer do with their Hooves.Maybe we'll get to meet at the USP christmas party this year.I'd like to meet all six of you.Hope my invitation didn't get lost in the mail.

There are some really nice deer out there. Not alot in places however. I agree, most hunters today don't venture more than 100 yds. or so fromtheir vehichles. Seems as if they don't have a quad runner they won't walk. I hunted sparingly in archery season due to the fact that there were 2 big buck in my area and I didn't want to pressure them.. I made no kill. The problem doesn't lie with the game comm. They only print the tags. The problem is and has been greedy hunters. Nobody can force you to buy a doe tag and/or use it and I'm sick of that old phrase,"I might as well shoot them or somebody else will". Let's go guys, it's time we police ourselves and manage the deer herd our way. WE ARE THE HUNTERS-TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY

MUZZYMAD

Doug, ist that really you talking or is it the beer? You really weaseled out of that comment about maligning Jim Slinsky's name to his face.

You needn't be so concerned about the USP lawsuit. If it really is frivolous, as many have contendedit well be thrown out. But right now it's got what one might call "legs", and it's running.

No Christmas party Doug, but come to the state meeting in Milesburg this March, make youself known to me and I'll introduceyou to Mr. Slinsky so as the two of you can converse and exchange deer management thoughts. I think that's fair, don't you?

If your trying to say I'm afraid of anyone,you're sadly mistaken,especially him.What's he gonna do,sick a mountain lion or a coyote,wolf hybrid on me?

I'm not the least bit concerned about the USP lawsuit.I think it's an absolute riot.It's given me more laughs thanSeinfeld used to.How bout them deer pawing up the trees.That just kills me but I have to admit,it is a good argument and should help you guys prove your case.

Buy me lunch and I'll try to make it.One request,the two of you promise to come to R.S.B'S habitat tour nad show him where he's wrong.Is that a deal?

I'd rather have RSB give a habitat Game Lands tour of Game Lands 12 & 36, not some PGC choosen area.
You shouldn't have to feel threatened or afraid to come to a USP gathering. Mr. Slinsky is a gentleman as are the rest of us.

The solution to many of the problems on public land and especially Game Lands is simply CUT the TREES! Small lot clear cuts interspersed with varrying degrees oftimbergrowth. Good for Deer, good for Turkey, and good for grouse. Not to mention tweety birds and little critters. Cutting the trees also rewards the agency with much needed cash. It would also force the stabelization of timber prices.

By not meeting their own goal of 1% yearlytimber cuts the agency denied themselves of some $10 Million Dollars each year. Most of this occured under the management of Vern Ross. I can onlyhope that Carl roe has more business sense. Although, it seems to be "Business As Usual" at Elmerton Ave. Same stories, same faces, more of the same problems.

It's time for a major change in management. Maybe DCNR has a plan?

I wonder if the PGC came out and said they would now issue extra buck tags for $6 dollars each.

Would the PGC be in the wrong for doing so?

Would you feel that the PGC was not at fault for what would happen next year?


After all, they didn't shoot all the bucks, it was the hunters. They didn't do anything wrong.


If they dropped the AR and issued extra tags for bucks, wouldn't it still be the hunter's fault for the buck decline.


I just can't see how some folks don't think the PGC is at fault for mismanagement.