Possible New Regs In NJ?
#21
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: OLD TAPPAN NJ USA
NJB--I hope your charges stick and it gets around that you are a real son of a b!tch so these guys finally wise up. As for the old lady, maybe you can teach her to puncture tires with a pick axe? Just a thought.
Good luck everyone.
PS
I am taking my Dad out this Sat as the poor guy got skunked in NYS and NJ and missed a buck with the bow. Even though I dont like the Jan days--I know that he wants to get a doe for the freezer. We will just make sure that it's really a doe and not a button.
Looking at the world from 15 feet up.
Good luck everyone.
PS
I am taking my Dad out this Sat as the poor guy got skunked in NYS and NJ and missed a buck with the bow. Even though I dont like the Jan days--I know that he wants to get a doe for the freezer. We will just make sure that it's really a doe and not a button.
Looking at the world from 15 feet up.
#23
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: NJ USA
I hope I didn't make you think I am against hunting in January, that's not the case. The season isn't the biggest part of the problem, it's the attitude that many carry into it.
Personally, I think January should be a primitive weapons season (Bow or ML), with it's own buck tag, and ONE doe tag. I think a button buck should count as a buck, after all, that is how God created him. It's just like anything else; the season isn't a problem, until it's abused, and right now, it's being abused.
I was very much in favor of extending the season when it first happened. However, I never liked the idea of unlimited tags. If the State wants more revenue, make the guy's who want to kill 40 deer pay for it. Charge them $10.00 per tag. Instead of one permit for unlimited deer, charge per tag. This would benefit all hunters. First, we could drop the permit fee to a reasonable amount for residents to pay, and just issue a doe tag with it. Anyone who feels they need to kill large numbers of deer, and therefore use more than their share of the resource, could pay for using more than their share of the resource.
Along with the Primitive weapons buck tag, the State should issue 3 buck tags that hunters can fill how ever they wish. If you want to take one with a bow, ML and shotgun, you can. Or, take all three with bow, all 3 with ML or all three during gun week, even two would work this way. However, the extended gun pressure on the deer has to stop, or the point restrictions and buck restrictions will be for nothing.
I think it may be too late though. Now that they have created a monster, many people will not feel they have to obey new bag limits, and just kill what they want. Shoot, I know a few guy's that do that now, and there is almost no limits!
Personally, I think January should be a primitive weapons season (Bow or ML), with it's own buck tag, and ONE doe tag. I think a button buck should count as a buck, after all, that is how God created him. It's just like anything else; the season isn't a problem, until it's abused, and right now, it's being abused.
I was very much in favor of extending the season when it first happened. However, I never liked the idea of unlimited tags. If the State wants more revenue, make the guy's who want to kill 40 deer pay for it. Charge them $10.00 per tag. Instead of one permit for unlimited deer, charge per tag. This would benefit all hunters. First, we could drop the permit fee to a reasonable amount for residents to pay, and just issue a doe tag with it. Anyone who feels they need to kill large numbers of deer, and therefore use more than their share of the resource, could pay for using more than their share of the resource.
Along with the Primitive weapons buck tag, the State should issue 3 buck tags that hunters can fill how ever they wish. If you want to take one with a bow, ML and shotgun, you can. Or, take all three with bow, all 3 with ML or all three during gun week, even two would work this way. However, the extended gun pressure on the deer has to stop, or the point restrictions and buck restrictions will be for nothing.
I think it may be too late though. Now that they have created a monster, many people will not feel they have to obey new bag limits, and just kill what they want. Shoot, I know a few guy's that do that now, and there is almost no limits!
#24
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Passin\'through>>>>------------> NJ USA
I think we need to eliminate the late firearm season all together...We don't need any more confusing regulations.. Lets go back to a 3 day doe season allow 1 doe. Lets go back to shooting "a buck" only during 6 day firearm.
Bow and muzzleloader season should go back to 2 deer with one being a buck of 3pts on a side. "Unlimited doe" needs to stop now!
Bow and muzzleloader season should go back to 2 deer with one being a buck of 3pts on a side. "Unlimited doe" needs to stop now!
#25
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Hamilton Square NJ USA
I think 2 bucks per year would be great. It would definitely increase the number of bucks. Make it 3pts or better on one side, and we're in business. Sure, it'll be abused, but those folks are abusing every law anyway.
Alot of those spikes and Y's will make it through the gun season. A lot of stand hunters will be more selective.
The shoot anything mentality makes me sick too. If a guy is allowed to take 2 bucks and 3 or 4 does, that's plenty. Some areas will be overpopulated, so hunt those zones if you need more deer.
Charging for each additional tag is a tricky business. How about areas where they give out crop depreadation permits? That's the situation in MD where I also hunt, and it's the only game law I break. Why would I buy another nonresident permit for 25$ per deer, when the farmer shoots dozens of deer every summer on the same property? Just a thought. I realize the situation is very different in most areas here.
BTW, I don't only blame these clubs, the state DOES encourage this, this is exactly what they want, a slaughter. Button bucks, hell, what about all the bucks killed with dropped antlers in Jan/Feb? A shame.
Alot of those spikes and Y's will make it through the gun season. A lot of stand hunters will be more selective.
The shoot anything mentality makes me sick too. If a guy is allowed to take 2 bucks and 3 or 4 does, that's plenty. Some areas will be overpopulated, so hunt those zones if you need more deer.
Charging for each additional tag is a tricky business. How about areas where they give out crop depreadation permits? That's the situation in MD where I also hunt, and it's the only game law I break. Why would I buy another nonresident permit for 25$ per deer, when the farmer shoots dozens of deer every summer on the same property? Just a thought. I realize the situation is very different in most areas here.
BTW, I don't only blame these clubs, the state DOES encourage this, this is exactly what they want, a slaughter. Button bucks, hell, what about all the bucks killed with dropped antlers in Jan/Feb? A shame.




