Remember picturescan bedeceiving. Low light,movement,magnification, and poor quality all can effect a picture and make it look like something that it is not. Flash at night can effect color, movement can distort and magnification will make things appear larger than it really is.

that was great info and pictures. the picture of bobcats you show are not what this cougar looks like. the picture i have at home that was taken here 15 miles from this cougar sighting of bobcat does not look anything like picture livbucks put on for us. i can assure you ths anyhow, that picture was not doctored at all. you are seeing trailcam picture taken at camp in pottersdale, pa.on aug of 2005 in clinton/clearfield county,wmu 2g.i also still feel its a cougar.

see that color of that cougar in the last picture you posted. thats SAME color i saw at pottersdale,pa. 13 years ago on that cougar i saw and reported to pgc. also picture we have here on the one at pottersdale, pa. is also that color. i call it orangeish .man, does that bring back what i saw years ago. thanks for great info. every bobcat i ever saw had black marks all over, pointed ears. and never that orangeish color.also cougari saw ran different than any bobcat i ever saw.more i think of it, i think bobcat was faster running than the cougar i saw. maybe just me thinking.again, thank you very much for great info.

Buckstalker, any explanation for the fact that Livbucks "cougar" has a tail only several inches long?

Remember, I only posted the pic for others. I have not made any conclusions. The body length is troubling if you say bobcat, but the tail does not seem thick enough at the base, even swung to the side, if it were, to be a cougar. I did ask if somehow a bobcat and cougar could be bred, is that possible? I'm not proposing a conspiracy theory, just asking.
On Cougardeville's site there is a bobcat pic that has a coat color similar to "my" pic, although the belly hangs low like a housecat, unlike "my" pic.
I will say that I believe the location of the picture to be factual, from my observation. Look at the pic that cougardeville referred to on her site. The coat color is similar, but the body shape is totally different.

Good clear picture of a summer coat Bobcat........



Livbucks original picture is a Bobcat. Use common sense people seriously, NO BIG TAIL. That fact alone should override any urge to call that animal a cougar.
Look at this picture of a summer coat Bobcat that I posted.....just look at how similar some of the features can appear to a cougar even in a crystal clear pic like this......lightly marked, nice even reddish brown, very "Cougarlike" facial /head structure.

Believe what your eyes are showing you not what you want it to be based on humps or muscles or body color etc. The animal in that original picture has a short thin Bobcat tail.

I agree with Matt, livbucks pic is no doubt a bob cat.....look at the ticking/spotting around the belly, tail etc.....

Here's another example.........look familiar?
Lower the light a bit, throw in some vegetation..........how many of you would see cougar here if the picture was taken at night and the tail obscured?
If you look at Livbucks picture you can even see the facial tufts and the black ticking marks around the butt and belly.
BOBCAT.

BIONIC ROOSTER!!!!!!! , All I know is this, If I were to takeLIVBUCKS photo into"ANYONE" that has seen both a bobcat and mountain lion, they would automatically say that it is a mountain lion. you know why? because of the way that it is built. A mountain lion and bobcats have a whole different stature.

Do you think the pictures of the mountain lions that (I) posted are real mountain lions? you would say yes. Why would you say yes? Do you think that this is a mountain lion or bobcat?




how about this one?


or this?



the last picture was from garyln zoo and its a mountain lion.

can you see there tails, how would you knowits a mountain lion ifyou can't see their tails? how would you know if you can't see if they have spots, or if they are one solid color?

The fact remains thateveryone in here (at first glance)would believe that these photos were all mountain lions(including LIV buck's photo)>>>>>>Thats atleast untill someone claimed that the picture was taken in pennsylvania.
It would be at that moment that everyone would start saying, " it has a summer coat" ,"eastern bobcats have less spots",or "a bobcat can be all one color" (just like matt's photo) or "you can't see his tail or atleast very little of it.

so what do you guys think? No one in here can say for sure if these (3) photos up above are of mountain lions can they? Especially if you go with (YOUR OWN) rules like(cant see the tail, could be summer coat, eastern bobcats have little if anyspots, summer coats have all one color.)

All these exceptionscould apply to the mountain lions above, and I assure you , (those are mountain lion photos)just like the cat in livbuck's photo is a mountain lion too.

Inever said that there are mountain lions in pennsylvania personally ( I THINK IT COULD ALL BE A BUNCH OFBULL ****) but I know a mountain lion when I see one---- just like all of you in here do to. None of you would deny the pics above just because you can't see their tails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bionicrooster, is the top pic (largest one) a bob cat or mountain lion....how would you know...if you can't see the tail? If that's your only way of determining a bobcat then thats pretty sad, because I can tell that the top pic is of a mountain lion...and so could a fifth grader. (you just can tell by its overall size and structure.)

Buckstalker, You are missing your own point........in Livbucks picture it's not a matter of the tail being completely hidden under a sitting animal.
You clearly have a slightly quartering view of the animals butt and the tail is obviously NOT THERE. The tail on that animal is clearly visible and it's not even remotely the diameter of a cougar's.
You could not hide a cougar's tail in that picture. Like I said , even if it was stapled to the left side of that animal's body you would still see the base diameter in a clear bulge.
If you look very closely I think you can even see the slight upturned tip of the bobcat's black tipped tail.........and you can definitely see the black mottled pattern starting down the inside of it's far side back leg under the tail.
That animal is CLEARLY a Bobcat. You can see the traingular tuft of fur on it's face angling down under and behind it's chin as well.

Another thing to look at is the ear size relative to the overall size of the animal's head.......the3 pics I posted of Bobcats, Livbuck's pic and the other 2 examples I posted show how the ear length vs. head diameteris very much proportionately different than the pictures of the cougars posted below. A Cougar's ears appear much smaller in relationship to it's head size vs. a Bobcat.

People can imagine what they want that's their perogative , but the clear photographic evidence (Short thin tail, Black spotting on rump and belly as well as facial tuft tip, the appearance of a triangular facial tuft, ear size relative to head size, and geography) all point to an obvious picture of a Bobcat.