You have no idead what you are talking about. I live in NE Arkansas the duck hunting capital of the world. If you think Pike Co. gets a lots of out of state hunters you ought sepend a month or so down here. The same things have happened to the locals they loose hunting spots because outfitters or NR lease them up. So, I am quite familiar with the process. I am just a little more realistic about than you are.

It's not up to you. You have no rights here. The farmer has the right to do as he wishes with the ground. The state has the right to allow NR access. I have the right to buy a tag and to lease ground? What right do you have to the ground? I'll tell you. You have the right to out bid me if you so choose and that's it.

Apparently, not everyone does. However, it isn't your right to decide whether a farmer or rancher shold be able to profit from access to his property.

I can understand being frustrated but at the same time you should be reasonable enough to understand. There is always public ground. I spend a good deal of my time on it here at home.

but are you getting ran off your ground? no, so again, you arent in my position.
again, i already mentioned this, i am not gonna sit there and outbid a guy for the land, and i already know thats all i can do, but i can't, so again this angers me. and like i said, i dont own the ground, so the farmer, which i already mentioned this, is of coarse gonna lease his ground, it will make him money, what am i supposed to do about it? outbid a person who has more money then me? I CANT. which is whay it makes me angry.
everyone knows this, just most people (people who are buying the land) dont really care about it. and once again. it is the farmers choice, although he is almost forced with money waving in his face.
reasonable enough to understand? if i come to arkansas and lease your hunting ground, your saying that you would be understanding and not really care? give me a beak, again, you are obviously not in my position. and public ground is definately not like the ground that you can manage, public ground is not somewhere i would like to hunt, but if it comes to it, i will be forced to move to it. and again, anger comes from this
you are not in our situation, and dont make it seem like you are, because your hunting ground is not being take over, it is obvious to tell by how you are talking about it. you put yourself in my shoes, and tell me you wouldnt be mad. my whitetail ground is slowly being taken over, and the only thing i can do to fight it is to tell people how i feel. so please dont make this sound like i am whining, when you all dont know how it is, and if you do know how it is, then you would understand.

Ok, heres another one. Another Bill is being put out to eliminate the cap. Im hearing the Farm bureau is behind this one.

SB1726
Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Wildlife Code. Provides that there shall not be a limit on the number of resident or non-resident archery deer hunting permits. Effective immediately.

Actions
Date Chamber Action
2/25/2005 Senate Filed with Secretary by Sen. Martin A. Sandoval
2/25/2005 Senate First Reading
2/25/2005 Senate Referred to Rules
3/1/2005 Senate Added as Chief Co-Sponsor Sen. Gary Forby
3/2/2005 Senate Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation

Senator Martin Sandoval
District Address
4843 West Cermak Road
Cicero, IL 60804
Phone: 708-656-2002
Fax: 708-656-7608


co sponsor:
Senator Gary Forby

Springfield Office:
Senator 59th District
M122 Capitol Building
Springfield, IL 62706
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Theres already one House Bill out there to elimate the cap, now we have another one.

Don


Heres the link to look at the bills.
http://www.ilga.gov/

those of you from illinois worried about losing your 2nd buck tag if they remove the nr cap you still have a buck tag for the shotgun hunt.and maybe even one for the muzzleloader season i'm not sure about that one anyway thats plenty of bucks in a season here in ga. were only allowed 2 for the season doesn't matter what we kill them with maybe you should lobby for that law in illinois 2 bucks no matter what you tag it with.in 2000 there was no cap 12,843 nrs showed up i don't understand what everyones so worried about the nrs aren't going to pay these prices for tags unless theres land available in the first place.plus when you have caps and lotteries you open the door for HSUS & PETA to step in and tie up phone lines are buy up much wanted license.by the way DeerSlayer not everyone from out of state is rich some of us are just middleclass hunters looking for good ground to hunt.

Duramax,

The current law only allows us to shoot 2 bucks total with all weapons.

What most people are worried about is the inlfux of NR traffic a open door may bring. The worry is the leasing will get way out of hand and displace resident hunters even more.

The Illinois Bowhunting organizations have been telling the DNR that they want more access before they want more hunters.


Don

so let me get this straight you are worried they will take residents down to one buck total all weapons.and believe me i understand all sides of this issue its not just an illinois problem.the face of deer hunting is changing everywhere.all states are becoming all about money where hunting is concerned.the farmer that lets me hunt very reasonable can very easily get more than i can afford.this is one reason i have no interest in pike co. the high prices.if i was a resident i would look to another co. they are all good to some degree.

A resident of his own county of residence forced to participate in hunting in another county due to big money.......thats very novel.[:'(] I hope when its all over the outfitters are not allotted 7,500 or any amount of tags. Each non-resident should have a chance at the tags whether they use an outfitter or not. Illinois or no state should be in the business of subsidizing an outfitter. The easiest thing to do would be to let non-residents draw their tags, then those that choose to hunt with an outfitter, book a hunt. Personally I think its silly and irresponsible on the hunters part to make a deposit with an outfitter not knowing if they will even draw a tag!!!!!!!

Are you sure about that? Cause I could have sworn I had lost 4 differefent places that I previously hunted


I have been in your shoes a couple of different occaisions. Trust I have spent plenty of time in both places and Pike Co. doesn't get a tenth of the out of state hunters that we do. Drop the poor poor pitiful me act cause your not the only one this has ever happened to. I have been run off of ground that we had previously hunted for years due to farmers wanting a cut of the big moeny that was available. Sure it was a little frustrating but I didfn't blame the farmers then and I don't blame then now and I don't feel like I was wronged because I knew that I had no rights to the property in the first place. I don't expect to be given anything for free. I understand perfectly that if I want something bad enough I have to get out my pocket book or keep my mouth shut.

I'm with you on this CougarMag there should be no favortism towards outfitters and the lottery should be equal for all applying. I guess I am somewhat bias towards this though since I do not hunt with an outfitter because of finances and if the tags go up to $500 I probably won't be able to swing that either. I just can't justify a $500 tag to hunt public ground that I still must draw to hunt on. I'm not sure where the price increase was coming from because I don't know enough about the situation but from what I gathered it was to deter people like PETA and others from trying to buy. If I'm wrong please correct me. If I'm right I don't think we (NR) should be penalized. The state government of IL is sounding somewhat like an OUTFITTER themselves all the time.

Well, once again Coug has to open his mouth!

And once again he is absolutely correct.

Uncle Matt (in IL)