But you will stoop to threatening the life of a police officer, who comes to your door in the lawful pursuit of his duties ?
THAT is the heart of it. THAT sort of attitude is the exact and ONLY reason that I got involved in this thread, in the first place. Surely you cannot be so depraved that you would think it acceptable to use violence against someone in that situation ? I do hope that you do not really mean that.
It is very telling, though... that because we have had this disagreement, that you also resort to threats against me ("You should be safe as long as you are not the one that comes to my house".)
You don't have to be concerned....as I would NEVER visit your house for any reason.
As for personal insults, I, too apologize. I would remind you that YOU started the process... with your "peace-loving, liberal, panty-waste" comment.
For the good of all, I now will consider the matter closed.

Just one quick question.
How many of us has seen are rights diminish through out the years?
First they take church out of our schools!
Secound: They are/ did take away are Pledge in MOST States.
Third: Why are we not useing the term GOD anymore? (Did we not build this country to what it is UNDER GOD!!!!)?
So lets not look at what might happen. We have to look at what is happening.
Why do WE as Americans allow people to change what this Country Stands for. Or for that part HAS ALLLLLLWAYS STOOD FOR.
There has been TOO many GREAT MEN AND WOMEN DIE FOR MY RIGHTS TO LET OUR COUNTRY FALL APART TOO THOSE THAT DONT LOVE AND RESPECT THE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE DIED FOR/ FOUGHT FOR.

So in that respect YES, I would FIGHT for my RIGHTS. Thats what this country is all about. IT IS CALLED FREEDOM, WHICH ISNT FREE ANYMORE!! Yet GOOD MEN AND WOMEN ARE STILL DIEING FOR THAT VERY RIGHT. SO I ASK YOU SIR!!!

WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR? WHY WOULD YOU EVEN BRING THIS TOUCHY SUBJECT UP AT THIS SITE!!???

hunter338

THAT MY FRIEND IS A BARE FACE LIE.

Back up and read the post over, see who called what first , I was called an extremist by you before I did any name calling.

If we lose or gun rights it won't be because of people like me, it will be on account of people like you that don't have the gall to stand up for our freedoms, you have already said that you feel we need to compromise.

You have done a pretty good job in showing your ignorance on here so far and now you top it of with having to revert to lying, thats pretty typical of an anti-gunner.



With so called gun-owners like you , who needs any anti's to fight.

Before you tuck your tail and run T.P., answer one question for us here, Did you vote for Gore in 2000?

well i can ask anyhting i want to on this site thank you very much, and gun control seems like a pretty important issue in todays society, so i was just wondering how much people disliked unneeded gun laws and how much the liked their rights.

and as for what i stand for? read my previous posts on this thread and you will learn

I have no intention of "tucking tail and running" (whatever that means). Your command of the language is wonderful, by the way. Interesting that you now, after all that has gone before, turn to asking about for whom I voted. You've run out of anything substantive to say about the subject which we were discussing, haven't you ?
I stand behind the assertion that you were the first one to throw personal insults. You have acknowledged that you would use violence against a police officer, who came to your door in the line of duty.... the vast majority of rational people would consider that extremist. I merely acknowledged the fact. The shoe fits, and you have CHOSEN to wear it. I am not to blame for that.
The things that I find most disturbing about this entire situation are 1: When I originally posted on this thread... I simply stated what I believed to be true as regards the issue at hand. I didn't decide to turn it into a WAR. That was your doing. (After all, I am just a 'liberal, peace-loving, panty-waste' , right ?) As I stated before, I am always happy to discuss, calmly and with consideration, issues of this sort. Do not, however, expect that I will give up and run away because you decided to make this a problem. Which leads me to 2: The telling point here is that you have taken this quite beyond the pale - as regards a calm, rational, discussion. It appears that you are rather incapable of fielding ANY points of view which do not EXACTLY match yours. You claim (or so it would seem) to be in favor of individual rights and liberties.... just NOT those that happen to differ with your particular view of the world. Very sad, indeed. You remind me of those who, immediately after the tragedy of 9/11.... suggested that to question ANY actions or policies of the Government was unpatriotic. Open discourse (including differing points of view) .... leading to understanding and compromise (oops, there's that dirty word again) - are the very ways and means by which this nation was founded ! It was NOT founded only by those of one particular point of view (on ANY subject). That has always been the strength of this nation... that EVERYONE has the right to express their particular views - and that most decisions that have produced an outcome fairest to all have been the result of discussion and compromise.
I'm not sure that you understand that. I'm not even sure, at this point, that you even truly support the very concept of Democracy..... because that which I have just described (and that which you seem to take such issue with)... is the very essence of it.
Having said all of that, I will say this. I have discussed this matter as fully as I intend to - with those who have NO tolerance for opinions which differ from theirs. I wish you the best of luck.... and I, indeed hope that you will be able to control yourself such that your hatred of everyone different from you does not boil over and poison the remainder of your life.

targetpuncher,

I understand fully what you are saying but if the diplomatic and/or political actions fail......

If the governement shall become tyranous, the people shall rise up,overthrow and install a new one.

To me the action of gun confiscation is the act of a tyrant and yes the people should fight with any and all means at thier disposal. If it would come to violence ( I would hope that it wouldnt) I can say this for sure. It is going to take alot of filled bodybags to get the folks out of these rugged West Virginia hills!

The very idea of an unarmed society turns us from citizens into subjects.

just saying that in the time period freeing slaves was a hot issue like gun control is now. his election was IMO like say if charles schumer was elected president today. lots of folks would be unhappy.

I don't have a copy of the article i read many years ago by a major in the marine corps.who was attending the war college but it goes like this. the major made up a questioner and gave them to several marines. there were only a few questions that he was looking for answers to for his study. one of the questions read something like " the gov't has banned guns and given a time period for people to turn them in . after that period the military will be used to sieze them. would you freely sieze weapons?

the large majority stated no being that this was a yes or no deal. it was noted that most showed signs of irratation by how hard they filled in the no oval. a few wrote in responses . one that i remember was that if the second ammendment was repealed then the constitution was no longer valid so that marines obligation to the gov't was no longer -due to that person swearing to support and defend it.

After reading that it has just always stuck in my mind

Targetpuncher, there is one common thing that I have seen in each of your post's. You keep refering to "law abiding gun owners." For the sake of this discussion, hypothetical, but terribly possible, we would no longer be "law abiding gun owners!" When guns are banned, gun owners will be criminals!
Can this happen? Yes! It is very possible that the anti's could win enough seats in the House and Senate, to ban guns altogether! Hopefully, we are many years, if ever, away from something this terrible!
This would surely cause another civil war! I think that even the most radical anti gunner knows this! So, what is more likely to happen, is what we are seeing now. The anti's are content to nibble away at our Second Amendment rights, one firearm type at a time.
They are learning to pick weak spots in the gun owners armor. First, they target things like the so-called "assault weapons." (what a joke! What is an assault weapon?)
When they are successful, they will pick on another group of gun owners! In this, they hope to turn gun owner, upon gun owner! When we have been thinned out enough, then they will go for an all-out gun ban!
Their reasoning is, we will give up our guns one at a time, until there will no longer be enough of us "extremists" to put up a fight!
As gun owners, we must not fall for their lies and half-truths, we must stand TOGETHER, and not sacrifice one another!

You also speak of COMPROMISE!
There are three definitions of compromise here:
1. The anti's compromise: We take your guns one at a time until you have NONE!
2. The gun owners compromise: Honor the Second Amendment, use the dozens of existing laws, to prosecute the REAL criminal use of firearms.
3. The fence riders compromise: Give up everyone else's rights to firearms, except for mine! (this is actually be worse than the anti's view of compromise, because it is selling out and sacrificing our fellow citizens, and will eventually give the anti's what they really want! ALL GUNS!!!)

Also, following your line of reasoning, "we should not disobey legal authorities!"
Allow me to remind you that America, was NOT America! We were at the time, a BRITISH COLONY! Therefore, according to your reasoning, they were THE LEGAL AUTHORITIES, and had a LEGAL RIGHT to force their will upon us!
Further, the PATRIOTS were acting illegally, and were therefore, CRIMINALS!
RADICALS!
EXTREMISTS!
Had they used your reasoning, we would still be a British Colony to this day! Thankfully, this was not the case!
To the throne, criminals they may have been! But neither radicals, or extremists they were! They were ordinary people, fighting for what was, and still is right! In forming a new nation, they drafted a CONSTITUTION and a BILL OF RIGHTS, and knowing the evils of man's heart, they added THE SECOND AMENDMENT to protect us from hostile nations, our own government, and from our own selves!
Is this all relevant for today? Yes! I believe it is!!!!

The Second Amendment protects every other right, and freedom that we have as Americans! The original Patriots won our freedom with their blood! Every Veteran, of every war, since then has fought to keep our freedoms!
Can we so easily now, give up the freedoms, that so many before us, have fought so hard to give us?

So in conclusion, to answer the original question of this thread, "How much do I value my rights?"
Read my signature! If there is nothing worth dying for, there is indeed, nothing worth living for either! Figure it out for yourself before you knock on my door to take my guns!