True, but the more information people has the better. Especially if these opinions are from people that has tried out different brands, found flaws, and reported them. Some peoples opinions are just from an emotional standpoint. Or has never had much experience with other brands. About a decade ago, I loved Remington. I would get emotional about any bashing. Then I made the mistake of shooting with other people and seeing what they got. Then I got to love certain things about other rifles. I liked the winchester extractors and safeties, liked the brownings accuracy, liked some with very nice stocks. Then I started looking at my own collection of 700' s. As all things, I wanted these fancy things. Then started seeing flaws in my own rifles that has served me well.

So the moral of this story is " ignorance is bliss" . Don' t shoot with other people. In fact it would be best on your wallet if you never even looked at pages like this. Then you will go home and be happy with what you got. Still wouldn' t be happy with that POS 597.

Hay Bigcountry I thought I was the only one out there that got them self in trouble on this sight. You know like the long range shooting thread I started. I have to stick up for you these guys seem to be ganging up on you. It is the new Remingtons that keep me busy between custom rifles jobs. I do wish Remington would increase their quality for the past few years it has not been what it should be and I can only work so fast. If their new guns go down hill any more I will have to hire someone. For the most part I am with you on this. Most people I know would rather pay alittle more and get a good product then save a few bucks and get problems. Remington seems to forget this and also seems to be of the opinion that tha American and Canadian hunters will not notice the difference in quality, I think they are wrong. If they want to cut costs and make more money maby they should get rid of the big wigs who made the decision to cheepen the quality of their guns.

I guess i' ll just keep taking my ignorant self down to the store and buy Remington' s. I have just as much exposure to other brands as everyone else, why?
Cause i set alot of rifles every year, Weatherby, Browning, Savage and Winchester.Never dealt with Sako ,Tikka, Kimber,Lazzeroni' s or any other brands.


I' ll keep my very accurate Sendero, because it out shoots all the rest i have shot.

If ya don' t like em don' t buy em! ..................leaves more for me and the rest of us truely ignorant people, like the U.S.M.C. snipers.

" Ignorance is bliss " .................................................. ..!

Soark, Thanks for your words of wisdom.That' s probably one of the truest statements you' ve ever made. LOL.The older Remington' s are nice rifles. The newer ones (710 & 597) wouldn' t make good boat anchors.I' ve had a few 700' s and never had a problem out of them.
Ruger Redhawk

I' m not " qualified" to make any sort of lifelong comparisons of various firearms as I am just not as versed in the art of rifles and riflemaking as most of you guys.........(heck I usually never have a tag left for rifle season after bow season ends!)
Anyway I went on a little bit of a rifle researching mission prior to my recent purchase of a Bolt Action rifle, and handled many guns and talked to quite a few people along the way about various manufacturers........Anyway ever since they came out I have always been fond of the Remington 700 Mountain Rifle(just something about it always made me want one), and going in I thought that was the rifle I wanted. That was until I actually played with a new one a few weeks ago. When I handed it back I said to myself that gun is HOW MUCH!? It was the model i dismissed as a possible the quickest after simply handling it. The Bolt felt like crap, the wood was blah, the safety felt like a piece of crap with about 1/8" of side to side play, and the gun just overall felt, for lack of a better word " Cheesy" . I didn' t even bother to look at the BDL' s etc just based on that one model. I was actually genuinely disappointed.
The Savage 16FSS with its synthetic stock at about $200 less felt more quality to me in my untrained hands........The 2 that felt the best to me were the Browning A-Bolt and the Ruger 77, they just felt like MORE gun for the money and I couldn' t help but wonder why someone would choose that Mountain Rifle.....brand loyalty?, looks?, who knows but I was not impressed at all. Even that new 700 Mountain Rifle SS with the laminated stock didn' t compare to the $150 cheaper Ruger 77 laminated stainless model (RBZ I think?).

If I knew absolutely NOTHING about rifles (I know a little[:-])Of all the models I tried if I were to line them up how I figured they should rank by feel,and impression of quality, I would have said the Remington was the cheapest of the bunch. I guess that says something? Not sure what exactly but I typed all this so it has to mean something right?

Hmm, can' t really call that a stock Remington. It is a Remington action. Besides, the government always goes with the lowest bidder. I know, I work for them.

I have a few older Remingtons that I like and have had no problems with. I don' t like what has happened to their quality control however.

As far as the 597 goes, you can' t polish a turd.

Now i didnt say big country in my post the dang site said in reply to big country cause i hit the reply at top.

Now big country has made some points but i would like to say that yes some folks have probably not had exposure to different guns like some. but i have had a chance to handle and shoot many different guns when i worked in a pawn shop.
some i liked some i didnt. but the real thing that gets me is the comments of remingtons lack of accuracy. maybe the new remingtons are like that but the many i have are not.
in my years dealing with guns in the shop i saw most all makes have some little problems. but honestly no one ever returned a remington . taurus and marlin were tops.
And bigcountry i used to take guns home and shoot them but i like my 700' s best. like some prefer a bolts or model 70' s or m77' s whatever floats there boat.
i think you can get a lemon from any manufacturer . and i will agree remington is producing a few lemons. i just hope they realize it before it' s to late.


ruger redhawk it' s a shame that i have to say something like that do get you to respond! what kind of cyber friend are you becoming?

OK...a question for the experts out there. Exactly when did the remington quality go downhill? I' m mainly concerned with the model 700' s. (don' t care about the 710 or 597, they speak for themselves). I haven' t bought a new rifle in about 7 yrs , and the last one I got was a 700 VSSS...and it is absolutely fantastic. Is it just some that are having trouble(a few lemons), or the majority of them? Like I said in my earlier post, my dad just got a 700 adl this spring and it seems to be a fine rifle. Just curious...because I may get a new gun in the near future (I' d like a .260 mtn rifle). Thanks.

One thing you must keep in mind about military stuff. It was built by the lowest bidder, and in the case with sniper rifles, then highly modified.

When did they go downhill? Well, I have a 700 270win, with a smooth bore. Don' t copper foul bad at all, no real complaints. It was bought by me in 1986.

When I say quality, the main problem I have seen is rough barrels, large variations in throat lengths, and chambers there were very sloppy. It all started when I bought this 700 BDL SS in 270. I just never got this thing to to shoot well. 2" were the normal group at 100 yards. I didn' t have any gunsmithing to it. I just traded it ASAP. Then I picked up this 300RUM BDL SS. Shot horrible groups. But I was determined to get this thing shooting well. I had pillars installed, and trigger adjusted to 2lbs, and free floated the barrel. 200 dollars of smithing. Consistent groups with a variety of handloads, and even factory ammo was 1.2" or so. Should have kept this gun, but sold on gunbroker. But the barrel was so rough. Took me 2hours to get out the copper. Forgot a 700ADL in 300Win Mag, that the chamber was screwed up, and caused bulging near the belt. This shouldn' t be. Had it rechambered and it shoots well. Still have.

Then I get this PSS in 300RUM. Groups were good but loads was very finicky. Copper fouled bad. Only shot flatbases well, hated boattails. So checked the crown and recut. This was the problem with boattails. Looked thru with borescope and saw a horrible barrel. Gunsmith said, send it back to remington. I said screw that, I just won' t buy another. Especially after seeing him (RA Browns in
Westminter, MD) send back several to the custom shop and having to send back more than once to get right. So I rebarreled it with a Krieger. Finally I feel what good barrel should be like. I thought the barrel bore was too large cause it was so easy to push my dewey rod down with a jag. But according to my chrono, I build up pressure much faster with this barrel. I figured out, that barrels shouldnt be so difficult to clean. Can shoot 20 rounds and clean in 1/2 hour. And copper fouling doesn' t seem to affect accuracy.

Now I will admit, I have gotten very picky over the last 15 years. I don' t know, I expect more for 700 hard earned dollars than most people. I have tried them all, from Sakos to Winchesters to Brownings, and even one savage for a brief time. And who in the world could afford a Weatherby. I love the quality of this new Browning I got. No gunsmithing needed. Just take out of the box and fire. But still would like changes to it. It would be nice with a different safety like Winchester.