SwampCollie please do not call my tire store?? Please?? Tom.

I hear what you're saying, and agree. In some cases, example.....130gr .270 on antelope, soft points plain old federals SP bullet, almost penetrated too well, went right through, so a premium controlled expansion bullet inthis case is completely unneeded. My friend was using a .243 with some 95gr noslers and those were blowing right through as well. So my point in some cases, a smaller cartridge with plain old, softer squishy bullets may be a better option, dumping its energy in the animal.

IMO plain old factory soft bullets are ideal for softer skin animals where penetration is probably too much as it is. Its that big/dangerous game when premium bullets are considered....though i think all premium bullets are probably almost as good as one another and signifcant step up from plain old soft points, its like going from a 3 to a 8.5-10 either way if that premo bullet is an 8.5 or a 10, its still better than a 3.

I'll not trade my Crummy for a horse either...

The X is simply better at dealing death...............

Unfortunately in todays way of thinking hypervelocity magnums and a lot of them are in the hands of novice shooters and hunters. I would imagine a lot of guys go up some tree in November armed with a 300 ultra mag and shoot a little ole deer at 100 yards(maybe) with some load going 3300 fps. Unfortunately the bullet will probably hand grenade at that speed and destroy a lot of deer in the process. A premium bullet will at least save some meat not a whole lot but probably more then 2 dollars worth that the darn bullet costs. Now you take that same cartridge and shoot something at 300-500 yards and that bullet will be more thenadequate.Sensible calibers are all that are needed for Deer but a lot of guys and especially newer market brainwashed shooters don't know the difference and somehow feel handicapped by a lesser cartridge.

The X allows the use of a lesser chambering yet still net velocity and flatter trajectory.......

Win/win...............

The longer I hunt with more expensive bullets the less I think they are needed for game like deer. I actually have had quicker kills with the standard stuff than the new premium bullets. I think the premium stuff is just constructed too well the expand well on relatively thin skinned game like deer. They seem to zip right thru like full metal jacket bullets and the deer will not drop as quick as they do with the cheaper stuff that seems to expand better inside the deer.

I've always said, and still do that a premium bullet is not needed for deer or similar animals. A well placed 'standard' bullet will put any deer down provided it is shot from a rifle of adequate size. Don't get me wrong, the premium bullets like Barnes, NOsler Accubonds, Hornady Interbonds, Swift, etc, have their place. I believe one of these should be used on heavy skinned, big boned animals where penetration is critical. But for deer, no way. Even though am older, I am not agains technology - when it is required. But I lost count of how many deer I have taken with the old reliable Hornady Interlock bullets.

So by your ExpertLogic an 85g .243 X, or a 100g .257 Xis better suited for Big Bear, Moose,and such, and has no place in Deer Killin'.....

Compelling...........

Horse Puckey. I have shot X-Bullets. I was around when they came out. I had to have them-just like everybody else. Until I shot them. Some were accurate, and some were not. And a lot of them did not expand at all. Caliber hole in, and caliber hole out. So Horse Puckey. And if they are so great---aren't they being discontinued?? For what-something new and improved?? Or is that more marketing spin??

So far every one has tried to explain what a premium bullet is(or what they think it is), but no one has offered a dimes bit of evidence that they are better. All I have heard so far is the manufacturer's spin on why a hunter should pay the premium price.

I do have a 300 Remington Ultra Mag., and I have shot deer with the 165 grain Sierra Game King. I can assure you this bullet does not blow up on impact. And I can also assure you that the bullet will kill a deer.

To quote an old commercial "Where's the Beef", Tom.

They are just making them more aerodynamic . I now of very few people that ever got the original X bullet to fly but that was 13 years ago or so when they were introduced.

No doubt it will kill a deer but you can honestly say it won't ' blow up on real close shots.