Total BS.

I mean this line of reason you have, you would believe abortions partial birth or not should be legal because well, they are going to do it anyhow. And it doesn't affect you.

Just because it has gotten away from the true tradition of archery that pioneers like Roy Case started doesn't mean throw the baby out with the bath water.

I understand where you are going, if its not about tradition anymore let crossbows in. I get that. As I believe if your going to let in crossbows, might as well let in the orange army with thier guns. But nobody wants that. I want it be recongized as tradition or let it be hunting with whatever weapon.

All I can put forth in this discussion is taken from Bowhunters Hall of Fame Fred Bear
http://www.bowhuntershalloffame.com/members/bearfred/index.html
"Wishing to be closer to his favorite bowhunting and flyfishing territory, Bear moved his archery plant to Grayling, Michigan, in 1947. Situated between the AuSable State Forest and the Huron National Forest, it was ideally located for his hunting products company. For both Bear and his company, the '50's and '60's were years of roller coaster growth. In 1952, for instance, immediately following the introduction of the Grizzly bow, the first truly mass-produced bow in archery history. Soon after came Bear's Kodiak line of bows and in 1961 the Tamerlane. Fred with Glenn St. Charles pioneered the Pope & Young Club and Fred was one of the first Board of Directors. With the coming of the compound bows, Bear introduced his famous Whitetail Hunter and the rest is history."

The Famous Fred Bear recognized innovation with the coming of the compound bow that even after hunting with his beloved recurve bow for 40 years he introduced his famous Whitetail Hunter compound bow. So if Fred wasn't worried about "tradition"
becoming tainted with the coming of the compound bow neither am I worried about the introduction of the crossbow into modern archery season.

Live it up! Doug

How true,here in WV you use to be able to hunt during the muzzleloader season wearing camo or for some traditional buckskin,but now with the added pressure and after a few accidents your now required to wear orange,I fear that if xbows are able to be used and presure increases the same will happen to bow season and anyone who has hunted with a bow in rifle season knows that standing in a tree glowing and trying to get a deer in range is almost impossible!
Thank God xbows are illegal in WV except for the handicaped,but so were inlines,scopes and sabots during muzzleloader untill a few years ago so allowing xbows won't be far off.

The difference between a longbow,recurve and a compound to me are more about improving the same concept, a string drawn with your fingers to launch an arrow,not trying to turn a bow into a rifle.

Compounds are much easier, far more powerful, much more accurate and right now, its the best thing for me to personally use.


arrow rifles are not allowed to my knowledge, we're talking about crossbows, a type of bow that is steeped in archery history.


For 35 years now we've had them and guess what? no negative impact. Wow ..... imagine that huh?




GOOD! Glad to hear so many people out in the woods hunting. But just so I understand here, you got MORE season when inlines were allowed, is that right?

and the beauty is, YOU use a compound don't you? Easy to use compounds ....... YOU choose an easy bow, but you don't want anyone else to choose their easy?

wow . and oh, by the way? inline muzzleloaders have been around for generations, they are NOT something new. did you know?


actually none of it is - its all factual



If nobody wants them, they'll not be used then will they?



If you are arguing on tradition, you better argue self bows, self arrows and knapped heads. Toss everything else away.





Guys, if its not a negative to herd management/numbers, if it doesn't mean less season and if it doesn't mean less bag limit, WHY in the world would you be for banning it? Look, compounds aren't even bows anymore, they truly aren't, and nobody draws in the presence of game anymore with compounds, and the letoffs are extreme, the distances shot extreme, mechanical releases and heads ........ good gawd hunters have degraded to the point if you don't have a feeder to draw the deer in, a 4 wheeler to get your lazy butt to the stand, mechanical heads so you don't have to tune your bow, a compound and mechanical release that lets you get 300 fps and 65 yard accuracy and of course a range finder to tell you how far you are away and scent lock clothes becuase you don't know how to play the wind .........


Do ya'll REALLY want to say crossbows breach a tradition here?

Seriously?




And that guy above I just described? He has NO impact on my hunting at all. His lazy way of hunting that I personally despise will not result in lesser season or less bag limits and if he wants to do that? GO FOR IT. Don't matter to me.

Only when what and how he hunts affects me will I then become concerned and look at all the states that have crossbows now, including the ones like Arkansas that have them over 3 decades and NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS AT ALL because of them

You're fearing an old P&Y wives tale that is simply not true

Ranger 77 you said well!
Live it up! Doug

I am not a lover of crossbows. I know if I suddenly became handicap I'd sure want to use one, just like right now I like having the option of going back to a compound.

You see, July 13th 2009 I woke to extreme vertigo. It took away almost all of my coordination and balance. A year later and I'm maybe 70% ? I shot my recurve an aweful lot last fall, trying to get good enough with it to hunt again. I did kill a KS buck, a short shot and I hit back of lungs when I wanted to hit front ...... but kill it I did. I also missed a deer or two as well.

The vertigo robbed me of much, and I now have a compound I can shoot more accurately with less practice, more power and more assurance of killing shots ........ I mean isn't that what crossbows give people?

I know, I know, the whole drawing vs non-drawing thing ...... but guys, as different as that is between crossbows and compounds so too is the draw so radically different between compounds and recurves/crossbows

I've shot them all, I've hunted with them all. I've hunted states allowing crossbows for just a few who have a permit, I've hunted in states that allow them for everybody and through years of experience with them all? They don't hurt anything anymore so than a compound does.

And that is really the only fact States need to look at before approving the and they are, and in the next few years every state will have them and no one will care once it happens.

One thing I find odd is the guys calling xboxs arrow guns and that they are more like a gun. Isn't it odd that the xbow was around hundreds of years before the gun so how is the xbow a copy of a gun.....isn't it more like the gun was a copy of the xbow???

You crack me up. Your not even consistent anymore.

Not the ones they are referring too with magnified scopes and laser pointers shooting upwards of 350fps. The ones steeped in history has a yew or ash prod, and cannot be held at full draw very long at all without breakage or set. I am actually trying to build one now.

Says you and crossbow shops. Imagine that huh? kinda like saying abortion has been legal for decades but has no negative impact on society. What was your view on that?

Well says you, but I have yet to see a peer review study you have completed. But you say it is. What are your qualifications to make that remark? Switch tech doesn't cover it.


With my mass calls to the MD DNR, I asked who are the folks pushing for this change in MD. He bluntly said the pro-shops and manufactures. Guess its like a goverment handout for em.

Now, your talking. But what was Roy Case's gear he used to take his deer in the 1930's? Lets see if you know WI history of the first bow season and why it started, why they fought for such an extended season with bows. Why WI and Roy Case was against crossbows and WI still is. It was only the start of the bow season in the US.

Like canned hunting? I guess you have changed your views?