No More Small Bucks!
10-28-2008, 07:40 PM
#101
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,911
RE: No More Small Bucks!
ORIGINAL: Matt/TN
I just can't FATHOM why people care so much about what people shoot
I just can't FATHOM why people care so much about what people shoot
He doesn't have an answer.
Especially the people on HNI? I'm guessing no one hunts the boarding land
10-28-2008, 07:43 PM
#102
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,503
RE: No More Small Bucks!
This is my annual rant to encourage game management. I see posts on here saying stuff like"Be Proud of What You Shoot" and then I see pictures of 30 to 40 year old men posing with 6 point bucks, jees, enough already! I'd like to outline an argument for game management on this thread.
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[/align]I think the mentality of "Igot my buck this year" isprimitive stereotypical thinking that has no place in modern hunting. Why do you need another 6point skull cap to nail up on yourout buildingfor? Do you really think they impress anyone?I have no problem with meat hunting so if you're doing that, shoot a doe for goodness sake, that's what I do.
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[/align]I qualify my argument with a few exceptions. Ihave no problem with a young hunter or a beginner taking asmall buck, I applaude it and encourage it but after a guy has shot a few, I think it's time to raise up your goals?I also have no problem with a special needs hunter taking a small buck as for them, it can be really hard to harvest any buck soI applaude that too.
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[/align]A whitetaildeer reaches an averagescore of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age. All you have to do is lay off the little guys for a couple of years and the bucks will grow. If everyoneadopted this mentally, we'd all be seeing monster bucks everywhere, it'sjust that simple.Shooting a small buck is likepicking apples before they're ripe, likecutting field corn when it's still green--let em grow!
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[/align]We all know it's pretty darn easy to shoot a little 1.5 year old buck. Half the time, I can shoot one walking outto my stand because they are such easy prey. It's not until 3.5 years old that they even start to get wits about them and with modern archery equipment it makes it a practical cakewalkso let em live and put a mature buck in your pickup bed this year.
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[/align]I think the mentality of "Igot my buck this year" isprimitive stereotypical thinking that has no place in modern hunting. Why do you need another 6point skull cap to nail up on yourout buildingfor? Do you really think they impress anyone?I have no problem with meat hunting so if you're doing that, shoot a doe for goodness sake, that's what I do.
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[/align]I qualify my argument with a few exceptions. Ihave no problem with a young hunter or a beginner taking asmall buck, I applaude it and encourage it but after a guy has shot a few, I think it's time to raise up your goals?I also have no problem with a special needs hunter taking a small buck as for them, it can be really hard to harvest any buck soI applaude that too.
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[/align]A whitetaildeer reaches an averagescore of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age. All you have to do is lay off the little guys for a couple of years and the bucks will grow. If everyoneadopted this mentally, we'd all be seeing monster bucks everywhere, it'sjust that simple.Shooting a small buck is likepicking apples before they're ripe, likecutting field corn when it's still green--let em grow!
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[/align]We all know it's pretty darn easy to shoot a little 1.5 year old buck. Half the time, I can shoot one walking outto my stand because they are such easy prey. It's not until 3.5 years old that they even start to get wits about them and with modern archery equipment it makes it a practical cakewalkso let em live and put a mature buck in your pickup bed this year.
I seldom make posts on this site unless they are congratulatory in nature. However, in this instance i feel i can't let this slide and I will knowingly brake some forum rules in the process. After reading the above attempt to promote "heard management" it is my personal contention that you are an absolute moron.You clearlydo not understand the fiber of the deer hunting tradition and what it means to this country. Everyone hunts for there own reasons - meat, antlers or the thrill of matching wits with a game animal but it doesn't matter why. In order for this sport to continue surviving we need to remember the reasons why hunting truly matters to us as individuals andeducate the non-hunting public.You must recognize that the size of the animal's antlers don't define a successful day in the field. Guys like you who believe "big buck" mania is the future of hunting don't even understand that you are ruining the very thing you are trying to protect. This mentatlity is and will continue to demoralize an individual hunter's sense of accomplishment and turn hunting into a business while murdering the long last traditions that mean so much to most of us. I am not reading any other response to your intial post - this is ment for you and only you...I hope you think long and hard about the message you are conveying to new hunters. You make me ill.
10-28-2008, 07:52 PM
#104
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Northwest suburbs, Illinois
Posts: 2,075
RE: No More Small Bucks!
A whitetail deer reaches an average score of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age.
LOVE them.
You don't honestly think they all do.. do you? Like all across the country? Everywhere?
10-28-2008, 07:53 PM
#106
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Heaven is my home, temporarily residing in WNY :)
Posts: 6,679
RE: No More Small Bucks!
ORIGINAL: Pa Trophy Man
Dr. Mr Dopler,
I seldom make posts on this site unless they are congratulatory in nature. However, in this instance i feel i can't let this slide and I will knowingly brake some forum rules in the process. After reading the above attempt to promote "heard management" it is my personal contention that you are an absolute moron.You clearlydo not understand the fiber of the deer hunting tradition and what it means to this country. Everyone hunts for there own reasons - meat, antlers or the thrill of matching wits with a game animal but it doesn't matter why. In order for this sport to continue surviving we need to remember the reasons why hunting truly matters to us as individuals andeducate the non-hunting public.You must recognize that the size of the animal's antlers don't define a successful day in the field. Guys like you who believe "big buck" mania is the future of hunting don't even understand that you are ruining the very thing you are trying to protect. This mentatlity is and will continue to demoralize an individual hunter's sense of accomplishment and turn hunting into a business while murdering the long last traditions that mean so much to most of us. I am not reading any other response to your intial post - this is ment for you and only you...I hope you think long and hard about the message you are conveying to new hunters. You make me ill.
This is my annual rant to encourage game management. I see posts on here saying stuff like"Be Proud of What You Shoot" and then I see pictures of 30 to 40 year old men posing with 6 point bucks, jees, enough already! I'd like to outline an argument for game management on this thread.
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[/align]I think the mentality of "Igot my buck this year" isprimitive stereotypical thinking that has no place in modern hunting. Why do you need another 6point skull cap to nail up on yourout buildingfor? Do you really think they impress anyone?I have no problem with meat hunting so if you're doing that, shoot a doe for goodness sake, that's what I do.
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[/align]I qualify my argument with a few exceptions. Ihave no problem with a young hunter or a beginner taking asmall buck, I applaude it and encourage it but after a guy has shot a few, I think it's time to raise up your goals?I also have no problem with a special needs hunter taking a small buck as for them, it can be really hard to harvest any buck soI applaude that too.
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[/align]A whitetaildeer reaches an averagescore of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age. All you have to do is lay off the little guys for a couple of years and the bucks will grow. If everyoneadopted this mentally, we'd all be seeing monster bucks everywhere, it'sjust that simple.Shooting a small buck is likepicking apples before they're ripe, likecutting field corn when it's still green--let em grow!
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[/align]We all know it's pretty darn easy to shoot a little 1.5 year old buck. Half the time, I can shoot one walking outto my stand because they are such easy prey. It's not until 3.5 years old that they even start to get wits about them and with modern archery equipment it makes it a practical cakewalkso let em live and put a mature buck in your pickup bed this year.
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[/align]I think the mentality of "Igot my buck this year" isprimitive stereotypical thinking that has no place in modern hunting. Why do you need another 6point skull cap to nail up on yourout buildingfor? Do you really think they impress anyone?I have no problem with meat hunting so if you're doing that, shoot a doe for goodness sake, that's what I do.
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[/align]I qualify my argument with a few exceptions. Ihave no problem with a young hunter or a beginner taking asmall buck, I applaude it and encourage it but after a guy has shot a few, I think it's time to raise up your goals?I also have no problem with a special needs hunter taking a small buck as for them, it can be really hard to harvest any buck soI applaude that too.
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[/align]A whitetaildeer reaches an averagescore of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age. All you have to do is lay off the little guys for a couple of years and the bucks will grow. If everyoneadopted this mentally, we'd all be seeing monster bucks everywhere, it'sjust that simple.Shooting a small buck is likepicking apples before they're ripe, likecutting field corn when it's still green--let em grow!
[/align]
[/align]We all know it's pretty darn easy to shoot a little 1.5 year old buck. Half the time, I can shoot one walking outto my stand because they are such easy prey. It's not until 3.5 years old that they even start to get wits about them and with modern archery equipment it makes it a practical cakewalkso let em live and put a mature buck in your pickup bed this year.
I seldom make posts on this site unless they are congratulatory in nature. However, in this instance i feel i can't let this slide and I will knowingly brake some forum rules in the process. After reading the above attempt to promote "heard management" it is my personal contention that you are an absolute moron.You clearlydo not understand the fiber of the deer hunting tradition and what it means to this country. Everyone hunts for there own reasons - meat, antlers or the thrill of matching wits with a game animal but it doesn't matter why. In order for this sport to continue surviving we need to remember the reasons why hunting truly matters to us as individuals andeducate the non-hunting public.You must recognize that the size of the animal's antlers don't define a successful day in the field. Guys like you who believe "big buck" mania is the future of hunting don't even understand that you are ruining the very thing you are trying to protect. This mentatlity is and will continue to demoralize an individual hunter's sense of accomplishment and turn hunting into a business while murdering the long last traditions that mean so much to most of us. I am not reading any other response to your intial post - this is ment for you and only you...I hope you think long and hard about the message you are conveying to new hunters. You make me ill.
And may I add .... Mr Dopler, you sir,are an assclown [:-]
10-28-2008, 08:13 PM
#107
Site Bouncer
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,099
RE: No More Small Bucks!
ORIGINAL: Dopler
It does have an effect on me and other people who manage, you get guys like the goof above pictured with the spike hornsetting up 15 guys on 20 acres and blasting all of the deer that we raise. I just say have some paitence and shoot a deer that's an actual challenge. ANYONE can shoot a little buck.
It does have an effect on me and other people who manage, you get guys like the goof above pictured with the spike hornsetting up 15 guys on 20 acres and blasting all of the deer that we raise. I just say have some paitence and shoot a deer that's an actual challenge. ANYONE can shoot a little buck.
Boy oh boy.........I don't even know what to say, your certainly not helping those (like me)who say QDM is just a smoke screen for "growing" bigger bucks just so you can say "look at me, I'm the best hunter in the world because I shot a big antlered deer"
Your greed for antlers has caused you to lose sight of what hunting really is....a past time, a sport, something we do to for FUN. No one posting on this sight NEEDS to hunt to feed their families, if you do you have no business paying for Internet service. You have let the size of antlers skew your judgment about what hunting is all about and that's different things for different folks.
Shoot what you want a, B&C slammer or a 4 point buck, a doe or a spike. Most importantly shoot what YOU want to shoot, don't worry about what others shoot, stop trying to "grow" deer and get out there and enjoy the great past time that hunting is. Pass it on to your children and stop trying to make others hunt the way you do....You never will because there those who hunt for the pure enjoyment of the sport.....regardless of the quarries age, size or gender.
10-28-2008, 08:18 PM
#108
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Eldred, PA
Posts: 1,667
RE: No More Small Bucks!
ORIGINAL: Pa Trophy Man
Dr. Mr Dopler,
I seldom make posts on this site unless they are congratulatory in nature. However, in this instance i feel i can't let this slide and I will knowingly brake some forum rules in the process. After reading the above attempt to promote "heard management" it is my personal contention that you are an absolute moron.You clearlydo not understand the fiber of the deer hunting tradition and what it means to this country. Everyone hunts for there own reasons - meat, antlers or the thrill of matching wits with a game animal but it doesn't matter why. In order for this sport to continue surviving we need to remember the reasons why hunting truly matters to us as individuals andeducate the non-hunting public.You must recognize that the size of the animal's antlers don't define a successful day in the field. Guys like you who believe "big buck" mania is the future of hunting don't even understand that you are ruining the very thing you are trying to protect. This mentatlity is and will continue to demoralize an individual hunter's sense of accomplishment and turn hunting into a business while murdering the long last traditions that mean so much to most of us. I am not reading any other response to your intial post - this is ment for you and only you...I hope you think long and hard about the message you are conveying to new hunters. You make me ill.
This is my annual rant to encourage game management. I see posts on here saying stuff like"Be Proud of What You Shoot" and then I see pictures of 30 to 40 year old men posing with 6 point bucks, jees, enough already! I'd like to outline an argument for game management on this thread.
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[/align]I think the mentality of "Igot my buck this year" isprimitive stereotypical thinking that has no place in modern hunting. Why do you need another 6point skull cap to nail up on yourout buildingfor? Do you really think they impress anyone?I have no problem with meat hunting so if you're doing that, shoot a doe for goodness sake, that's what I do.
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[/align]I qualify my argument with a few exceptions. Ihave no problem with a young hunter or a beginner taking asmall buck, I applaude it and encourage it but after a guy has shot a few, I think it's time to raise up your goals?I also have no problem with a special needs hunter taking a small buck as for them, it can be really hard to harvest any buck soI applaude that too.
[/align]
[/align]A whitetaildeer reaches an averagescore of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age. All you have to do is lay off the little guys for a couple of years and the bucks will grow. If everyoneadopted this mentally, we'd all be seeing monster bucks everywhere, it'sjust that simple.Shooting a small buck is likepicking apples before they're ripe, likecutting field corn when it's still green--let em grow!
[/align]
[/align]We all know it's pretty darn easy to shoot a little 1.5 year old buck. Half the time, I can shoot one walking outto my stand because they are such easy prey. It's not until 3.5 years old that they even start to get wits about them and with modern archery equipment it makes it a practical cakewalkso let em live and put a mature buck in your pickup bed this year.
[/align]
[/align]I think the mentality of "Igot my buck this year" isprimitive stereotypical thinking that has no place in modern hunting. Why do you need another 6point skull cap to nail up on yourout buildingfor? Do you really think they impress anyone?I have no problem with meat hunting so if you're doing that, shoot a doe for goodness sake, that's what I do.
[/align]
[/align]I qualify my argument with a few exceptions. Ihave no problem with a young hunter or a beginner taking asmall buck, I applaude it and encourage it but after a guy has shot a few, I think it's time to raise up your goals?I also have no problem with a special needs hunter taking a small buck as for them, it can be really hard to harvest any buck soI applaude that too.
[/align]
[/align]A whitetaildeer reaches an averagescore of 130" inches of horn at 3.5 years of age. All you have to do is lay off the little guys for a couple of years and the bucks will grow. If everyoneadopted this mentally, we'd all be seeing monster bucks everywhere, it'sjust that simple.Shooting a small buck is likepicking apples before they're ripe, likecutting field corn when it's still green--let em grow!
[/align]
[/align]We all know it's pretty darn easy to shoot a little 1.5 year old buck. Half the time, I can shoot one walking outto my stand because they are such easy prey. It's not until 3.5 years old that they even start to get wits about them and with modern archery equipment it makes it a practical cakewalkso let em live and put a mature buck in your pickup bed this year.
I seldom make posts on this site unless they are congratulatory in nature. However, in this instance i feel i can't let this slide and I will knowingly brake some forum rules in the process. After reading the above attempt to promote "heard management" it is my personal contention that you are an absolute moron.You clearlydo not understand the fiber of the deer hunting tradition and what it means to this country. Everyone hunts for there own reasons - meat, antlers or the thrill of matching wits with a game animal but it doesn't matter why. In order for this sport to continue surviving we need to remember the reasons why hunting truly matters to us as individuals andeducate the non-hunting public.You must recognize that the size of the animal's antlers don't define a successful day in the field. Guys like you who believe "big buck" mania is the future of hunting don't even understand that you are ruining the very thing you are trying to protect. This mentatlity is and will continue to demoralize an individual hunter's sense of accomplishment and turn hunting into a business while murdering the long last traditions that mean so much to most of us. I am not reading any other response to your intial post - this is ment for you and only you...I hope you think long and hard about the message you are conveying to new hunters. You make me ill.
10-28-2008, 08:28 PM
#109
Site Bouncer
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,099
RE: No More Small Bucks!
ORIGINAL: fingerz42
And with that said, and being as antler score means nothing to anyone. We should probably stop the bowhunting contest because that is all based on the "score" of the deer taken. Perhaps if we change it to "Who had the most fun" it would be a bit fairer of a competition.
And with that said, and being as antler score means nothing to anyone. We should probably stop the bowhunting contest because that is all based on the "score" of the deer taken. Perhaps if we change it to "Who had the most fun" it would be a bit fairer of a competition.
10-28-2008, 08:48 PM
#110
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
RE: No More Small Bucks!
ORIGINAL: fingerz42
Why is this guy getting chastised because he believes you should let young bucks walk? Wouldnt it be nice if every hunter would let the spikes and basket rack 4 points walk? I mean if you're just hunting meat, kill a doe. Why continually shoot young immature bucks just for the sake of saying "i got mine"
This is exactly the problem in my area, everyone just wants to kill one so they can say well I killed one. Why doesnt anyone ever want to demonstrate some Quality deer management...?
Why is this guy getting chastised because he believes you should let young bucks walk? Wouldnt it be nice if every hunter would let the spikes and basket rack 4 points walk? I mean if you're just hunting meat, kill a doe. Why continually shoot young immature bucks just for the sake of saying "i got mine"
This is exactly the problem in my area, everyone just wants to kill one so they can say well I killed one. Why doesnt anyone ever want to demonstrate some Quality deer management...?
I actually agree with the thought process here...but making an absolute ass out of yourself to do it is ridiculous. You can't judge others, by whatYOU want or feel. The other thing is this...making a blanket statement like that is not even coming close to giving an apples to apples comparison. Where you are (if you actually are) certainly doesn't compare to where others might be.
10 yrs ago, I stopped shooting small/young bucks. I had just gotten sick of it....it didn't do anything for me anymore. So I shoot does, and hold out for one that makes me happy. During the last 10 yrs, I've probably shot 7 or 8 bucks, and 60+ does. ALL the bucks were 8pt or up, and decent specimens for my area. All were shot with a gun or m/l, haven't gotten a decent one close enough with the bow. I can't even tell you how many I've passed up...truly it has been hundreds of bucks. I've passed as many as 12 in one day before. Sothat said, IAMdoing what you say....yet where are all the 130s? You see....its all relative. I'm in an area that just doesn't produce many deer like that, regardless of how many I let walk. I would invite ANYONE to come hunt the land I hunt and kill 130's. Good luck, you can't kill what ain't there.
My personal feelings are this....shoot what makes you happy, period. Yes, do I preach to folks to let the small ones walk and shoot a doe, absolutely. I've converted lots of hunters over to that thought process over the years. BUT, do I really care what they do...nope. Will I put them down because they shot a forkhorn and are excited about it? NO WAY...I was there once, and I'd venture to say even you elitists were as well. I know you were.
I feel like the true deer hunter goes through a maturing process, and begins to put self imposed standards on themselves as time goes by. I know that is what happened to me. Most, but not all will go through similar phases in their hunting career, I believe. Hopefully anyhow. The one thing I can say for sure, passing up deer gives a great sense of accomplishment, regardless of the size. I also learned more in the first couple years of letting em walk than I knew in probably the prior 15 yrs of not letting em walk. What an experience.
To each his own, I hope everyone has a great season.
Oh, and check out the buck below that my son got last year.... aged by a DNR biologist at 2.5...He woulda had a heck of a growth spurt this year, I guess he should have let him walk.
