Earn a Buck in PA
09-08-2008 | 08:45 AM
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Dominant Buck
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The question was, Jim....do you MORE trust huntersand landowners to manage the STATE'S resources better than the PGC?
Again....this is defining anarchy.
You seem to be hinting that you own the land AND the deer (natural resources).
Again....this is defining anarchy.
You seem to be hinting that you own the land AND the deer (natural resources).
09-08-2008 | 08:53 AM
#32
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Earn a Buck in PA
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
Jim, since you're so well off that you can just buy up land, but at the same time calling woodland resources "our" resources you seem to have it all. You have your own property and other people's property that is "ours." If that's the case why don't you mow your lawn so you can find yourpickup and drive it down to blacktop land and buy up some land down here so you strap all the deer you want to your hood and drive around giving all the soccer moms the finger.
Seriously, while EAB might have a positive effect in areas like 5d, 5c, and 2b, I just don't know how it could be effectively implemented, enforced, and managed. We don't have mandatory deer check in which all states that run EAB have and need to check the does in and distribute buck tags. You would have to remove the buck tag from the license across that state adding more administration which we know the PGC doesn't handle well. Finally, the majority of hunters that hunt in the proposed EAB zones would either be up in arms over the change or just ignore it and continue to shoot 4-5 bucks a year anyway.
You definitely could not implement it statewide because it would be unfair to the majority of the state that has felt the effects of massive antlerless allotment from recent years.
I just don't see it being a practical proposition in this state.
Jim, since you're so well off that you can just buy up land, but at the same time calling woodland resources "our" resources you seem to have it all. You have your own property and other people's property that is "ours." If that's the case why don't you mow your lawn so you can find yourpickup and drive it down to blacktop land and buy up some land down here so you strap all the deer you want to your hood and drive around giving all the soccer moms the finger.
Seriously, while EAB might have a positive effect in areas like 5d, 5c, and 2b, I just don't know how it could be effectively implemented, enforced, and managed. We don't have mandatory deer check in which all states that run EAB have and need to check the does in and distribute buck tags. You would have to remove the buck tag from the license across that state adding more administration which we know the PGC doesn't handle well. Finally, the majority of hunters that hunt in the proposed EAB zones would either be up in arms over the change or just ignore it and continue to shoot 4-5 bucks a year anyway.
You definitely could not implement it statewide because it would be unfair to the majority of the state that has felt the effects of massive antlerless allotment from recent years.
I just don't see it being a practical proposition in this state.
I can't help it I was born Handsome,intelligent & wealthy.
This is America and theres plenty of land out there for sale,whether owning its a priority in your life or not is up to you. I made it one in mine and have advocated it on this site many times.
It is nice to see that you agree with me on what a hapless failure E.A.B would be in PA.
Have a great week,Jim
09-08-2008 | 09:00 AM
#33
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Earn a Buck in PA
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
The question was, Jim....do you MORE trust huntersand landowners to manage the STATE'S resources better than the PGC?
Again....this is defining anarchy.
You seem to be hinting that you own the land AND the deer (natural resources).
The question was, Jim....do you MORE trust huntersand landowners to manage the STATE'S resources better than the PGC?
Again....this is defining anarchy.
You seem to be hinting that you own the land AND the deer (natural resources).
I'm not silly enough to believeI can make a difference in the statewide picture.
We've had this talk before about my feelings on the big picture, I find it comical that you think that you can make a difference by killing all the doe's you see,andI find it just as funny that you think I can make a difference by not killing any.
09-08-2008 | 09:03 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Earn a Buck in PA
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Bryan don't hate me cause I'm beautiful.
I can't help it I was born Handsome,intelligent & wealthy.
This is America and theres plenty of land out there for sale,whether owning its a priority in your life or not is up to you. I made it one in mine and have advocated it on this site many times.
It is nice to see that you agree with me on what a hapless failure E.A.B would be in PA.
Have a great week,Jim
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
Jim, since you're so well off that you can just buy up land, but at the same time calling woodland resources "our" resources you seem to have it all. You have your own property and other people's property that is "ours." If that's the case why don't you mow your lawn so you can find yourpickup and drive it down to blacktop land and buy up some land down here so you strap all the deer you want to your hood and drive around giving all the soccer moms the finger.
Seriously, while EAB might have a positive effect in areas like 5d, 5c, and 2b, I just don't know how it could be effectively implemented, enforced, and managed. We don't have mandatory deer check in which all states that run EAB have and need to check the does in and distribute buck tags. You would have to remove the buck tag from the license across that state adding more administration which we know the PGC doesn't handle well. Finally, the majority of hunters that hunt in the proposed EAB zones would either be up in arms over the change or just ignore it and continue to shoot 4-5 bucks a year anyway.
You definitely could not implement it statewide because it would be unfair to the majority of the state that has felt the effects of massive antlerless allotment from recent years.
I just don't see it being a practical proposition in this state.
Jim, since you're so well off that you can just buy up land, but at the same time calling woodland resources "our" resources you seem to have it all. You have your own property and other people's property that is "ours." If that's the case why don't you mow your lawn so you can find yourpickup and drive it down to blacktop land and buy up some land down here so you strap all the deer you want to your hood and drive around giving all the soccer moms the finger.
Seriously, while EAB might have a positive effect in areas like 5d, 5c, and 2b, I just don't know how it could be effectively implemented, enforced, and managed. We don't have mandatory deer check in which all states that run EAB have and need to check the does in and distribute buck tags. You would have to remove the buck tag from the license across that state adding more administration which we know the PGC doesn't handle well. Finally, the majority of hunters that hunt in the proposed EAB zones would either be up in arms over the change or just ignore it and continue to shoot 4-5 bucks a year anyway.
You definitely could not implement it statewide because it would be unfair to the majority of the state that has felt the effects of massive antlerless allotment from recent years.
I just don't see it being a practical proposition in this state.
I can't help it I was born Handsome,intelligent & wealthy.
This is America and theres plenty of land out there for sale,whether owning its a priority in your life or not is up to you. I made it one in mine and have advocated it on this site many times.
It is nice to see that you agree with me on what a hapless failure E.A.B would be in PA.
Have a great week,Jim
Have a good one.
09-08-2008 | 09:07 AM
#35
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: Earn a Buck in PA
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
What's that Jim? I missed it because I was playing my PSP while driving on the interstate and talking on my Blackberry.
Have a good one.
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Bryan don't hate me cause I'm beautiful.
I can't help it I was born Handsome,intelligent & wealthy.
This is America and theres plenty of land out there for sale,whether owning its a priority in your life or not is up to you. I made it one in mine and have advocated it on this site many times.
It is nice to see that you agree with me on what a hapless failure E.A.B would be in PA.
Have a great week,Jim
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
Jim, since you're so well off that you can just buy up land, but at the same time calling woodland resources "our" resources you seem to have it all. You have your own property and other people's property that is "ours." If that's the case why don't you mow your lawn so you can find yourpickup and drive it down to blacktop land and buy up some land down here so you strap all the deer you want to your hood and drive around giving all the soccer moms the finger.
Seriously, while EAB might have a positive effect in areas like 5d, 5c, and 2b, I just don't know how it could be effectively implemented, enforced, and managed. We don't have mandatory deer check in which all states that run EAB have and need to check the does in and distribute buck tags. You would have to remove the buck tag from the license across that state adding more administration which we know the PGC doesn't handle well. Finally, the majority of hunters that hunt in the proposed EAB zones would either be up in arms over the change or just ignore it and continue to shoot 4-5 bucks a year anyway.
You definitely could not implement it statewide because it would be unfair to the majority of the state that has felt the effects of massive antlerless allotment from recent years.
I just don't see it being a practical proposition in this state.
Jim, since you're so well off that you can just buy up land, but at the same time calling woodland resources "our" resources you seem to have it all. You have your own property and other people's property that is "ours." If that's the case why don't you mow your lawn so you can find yourpickup and drive it down to blacktop land and buy up some land down here so you strap all the deer you want to your hood and drive around giving all the soccer moms the finger.
Seriously, while EAB might have a positive effect in areas like 5d, 5c, and 2b, I just don't know how it could be effectively implemented, enforced, and managed. We don't have mandatory deer check in which all states that run EAB have and need to check the does in and distribute buck tags. You would have to remove the buck tag from the license across that state adding more administration which we know the PGC doesn't handle well. Finally, the majority of hunters that hunt in the proposed EAB zones would either be up in arms over the change or just ignore it and continue to shoot 4-5 bucks a year anyway.
You definitely could not implement it statewide because it would be unfair to the majority of the state that has felt the effects of massive antlerless allotment from recent years.
I just don't see it being a practical proposition in this state.
I can't help it I was born Handsome,intelligent & wealthy.
This is America and theres plenty of land out there for sale,whether owning its a priority in your life or not is up to you. I made it one in mine and have advocated it on this site many times.
It is nice to see that you agree with me on what a hapless failure E.A.B would be in PA.
Have a great week,Jim
Have a good one.
09-08-2008 | 09:07 AM
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Dominant Buck
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This question has nothing to do with herd management ....as it relates to doe poulations, Jim. It's much broader than that. Nice deflection.
Why does this bother you so? YOU (being the sole landowner) are the supreme arbiter of what occurs on your land....NO MATTER WHO is making the rules for what can and can't be taken off your land. It's like not owning the groceries.....but owning the grocery store. If you don't open the doors.....people can't shop.
If you're worried about the adjacent landowners allowing people to take deer from their lands (based on the state's rules).....then take your own advice and either buy more land......or make what you have more attractive (to the point where 'their' laws DO NOT AFFECT YOU ONE BIT).
Sounds to me like you might need to remodel and add on to the store......OR quit bitching about the guys shopping on ailse 5 affecting your groceries on aisle 9.
Why does this bother you so? YOU (being the sole landowner) are the supreme arbiter of what occurs on your land....NO MATTER WHO is making the rules for what can and can't be taken off your land. It's like not owning the groceries.....but owning the grocery store. If you don't open the doors.....people can't shop.
If you're worried about the adjacent landowners allowing people to take deer from their lands (based on the state's rules).....then take your own advice and either buy more land......or make what you have more attractive (to the point where 'their' laws DO NOT AFFECT YOU ONE BIT).
Sounds to me like you might need to remodel and add on to the store......OR quit bitching about the guys shopping on ailse 5 affecting your groceries on aisle 9.
09-08-2008 | 09:31 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Earn a Buck in PA
This started about E.A.B. I stated it arsine idea and why I thought that way.
Maybe you will this will help, I dough it but I will try.
I find many laws as arsine as E.A.B. because most are written to regulate what should be common sense.
Seat belt laws save lives, great should it be a law ? No ? Ever drive by your local school and see the signs "This is a drug free zone" no ****! We write rules and regulation to the lowest standards and for those whom are least likely to follow them.
Ever give much thought to whats on day time TV, you will not see a "How to build your own atom smasher" a five part mini series.[:-]
If you feel that the sheepeople life style is foryou great I'm just not getting on that boat.[8D]
One question ,Ever read "Atlas Shrugged"?
Maybe you will this will help, I dough it but I will try.
I find many laws as arsine as E.A.B. because most are written to regulate what should be common sense.
Seat belt laws save lives, great should it be a law ? No ? Ever drive by your local school and see the signs "This is a drug free zone" no ****! We write rules and regulation to the lowest standards and for those whom are least likely to follow them.
Ever give much thought to whats on day time TV, you will not see a "How to build your own atom smasher" a five part mini series.[:-]
If you feel that the sheepeople life style is foryou great I'm just not getting on that boat.[8D]
One question ,Ever read "Atlas Shrugged"?
09-08-2008 | 09:49 AM
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Dominant Buck
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Jim in a way you're like me....in that we subscribe to the common sense approach to natural selection in regards to a lot of things you mention. "Common sense" is a contradiction of terms, though.....and it makes sense to enact laws towards the few that affect the many. Who pays when the guy who chooses not to wear his seat belt is involved in an accident.? If we were all held responsible for our own actions.....I'd be in your corner. We're not held to that, though.
Your reasoning for thinking it was/is ASININE is because you think the state shouldn't be handling such issues. That brought on my next line of questioning.....which was....who is better than them to dictate the state's game laws for the states resources? I'm interested in your answer. I mentioned "anarchy"....because that's exactly what you're suggesting (and it isn't a dirty word.....it's just the definition of taking the power away from the government and making it 'by the poeple').
We have landowners who own large chunks of land.....that allow NO hunting. That means NO resources are taken from their lands, legally. Is this "proper" management? For every doe slaughterhouse......there's likely one of these havens.
The PGC (and all state's regulating agencies) have an unenviable task....and one that's gonna piss a lot of people off (obviously). But they're not managing for your land and your land, only. You can do that any way you see fit (in regards to NOT taking does.....which is obviously your choice). If you're unhappy about what your neighborsa re doing.......buy them out. What better way to control your own fate than to own the land that hold the resources......so much that what others do affects "your" world not?
If we were all held responsible for our own actions.....I'd be in your corner. We're not held to that, though.Your reasoning for thinking it was/is ASININE is because you think the state shouldn't be handling such issues. That brought on my next line of questioning.....which was....who is better than them to dictate the state's game laws for the states resources? I'm interested in your answer. I mentioned "anarchy"....because that's exactly what you're suggesting (and it isn't a dirty word.....it's just the definition of taking the power away from the government and making it 'by the poeple').
We have landowners who own large chunks of land.....that allow NO hunting. That means NO resources are taken from their lands, legally. Is this "proper" management? For every doe slaughterhouse......there's likely one of these havens.
The PGC (and all state's regulating agencies) have an unenviable task....and one that's gonna piss a lot of people off (obviously). But they're not managing for your land and your land, only. You can do that any way you see fit (in regards to NOT taking does.....which is obviously your choice). If you're unhappy about what your neighborsa re doing.......buy them out. What better way to control your own fate than to own the land that hold the resources......so much that what others do affects "your" world not?
