Question for "mature buck" advocates
03-05-2008 | 12:52 PM
#81
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
I've killed deer with a recurve and plan on doing it more some day. Just don't know when. Besides, all of my mature buck kills have been between 6 and 21 yards. The real challenge is getting close to them (hunting). I do so by learning about them and their habits. I don't think that by me switching to a recurve would have that much of an effect on me killing a mature buck. I like to get real close to them.
But I liked the training wheel anaolgy just the same.
03-05-2008 | 12:54 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Gus:
I think you're saying what a lot of people think.....but won't say.
Gus:
I think you're saying what a lot of people think.....but won't say.
03-05-2008 | 12:55 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: HuntinGUS
Having success hunting whitetails is determined a lot by geography and willingness to wait it out and perhaps eating tag soup. I know that.
My question was more toward the "challenge" aspect that so many seak of while championing the the idea of not shooting young bucks.
If the woods are littered with 4.5 year old deer would it be that difficult to kill one? I see a lot of the same people who are "trophy" hunters also advocate that you "let em go so they can grow". Seems like they are after the horns more than the challenge........
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Gus...
Is it easier to kill a lot of deer ......if you hunt where a lot of deer live?
I can tell you the answer to that question is "YES".
So....wouldn't it stand to reason .......if there were more mature deer (insert name of location, here)......that they would be easier to kill?
Takes NOTHING away from...nor does it even take into account a hunter's prowess. It's simple math.
Gus...
Is it easier to kill a lot of deer ......if you hunt where a lot of deer live?
I can tell you the answer to that question is "YES".
So....wouldn't it stand to reason .......if there were more mature deer (insert name of location, here)......that they would be easier to kill?
Takes NOTHING away from...nor does it even take into account a hunter's prowess. It's simple math.
My question was more toward the "challenge" aspect that so many seak of while championing the the idea of not shooting young bucks.
If the woods are littered with 4.5 year old deer would it be that difficult to kill one? I see a lot of the same people who are "trophy" hunters also advocate that you "let em go so they can grow". Seems like they are after the horns more than the challenge........
If the woods were "littered with them I would think that it would be somewhat easier to kill one, but I can't say for sure. I have never been in woods littered with mature bucks. Has anyone?
03-05-2008 | 12:55 PM
#84
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GregH
Nobody's telling you what to do.
IF you want to be a trophy hunter, Rule #1 - Hunt where they live.
ORIGINAL: davidmil
You know, it's real easy to pass on a bunch of bucks when you have a lot of deer. When you can go out and expect to see deer usually every hunt, it's not real hard to say I'll wait for something bigger. I spent the summer glassing every deer within a 3 mile radius of my house. I saw a big 8, and a 6 and a spike repeatedly during the summer and Sept. That was it. During deer season I saw 1 spike and he wasn't the one I watched all summer. Realize, the big 8 and 6 were always on land adjacent to the land I can hunt. The 8 was killed on that same land. For the entire bow season I saw I guess maybe 6 deer from a tree and 3 during the muzzleloader season. I know of one that was poached in my woods with a rifle. So, tell me I'm suppose to pass a basket rack 6 up here when he walks by at 20 yards. Last year I saw and 8 and a spike. I shot the 8 with the bow. There's lots of pressure from hunters, night hunter and plain old outlaws all year. It's pretty tough to be a trophy hunter in such places. In Maryland I passed on deer all the time with no regrets because it was easy and the population per mile was about 40 more deer. I'd typically see hundreds in the year. I'm looking for a new woods. The last time I was in Ohio I passed on 4 bucks one evening that would have been prizes here.
You know, it's real easy to pass on a bunch of bucks when you have a lot of deer. When you can go out and expect to see deer usually every hunt, it's not real hard to say I'll wait for something bigger. I spent the summer glassing every deer within a 3 mile radius of my house. I saw a big 8, and a 6 and a spike repeatedly during the summer and Sept. That was it. During deer season I saw 1 spike and he wasn't the one I watched all summer. Realize, the big 8 and 6 were always on land adjacent to the land I can hunt. The 8 was killed on that same land. For the entire bow season I saw I guess maybe 6 deer from a tree and 3 during the muzzleloader season. I know of one that was poached in my woods with a rifle. So, tell me I'm suppose to pass a basket rack 6 up here when he walks by at 20 yards. Last year I saw and 8 and a spike. I shot the 8 with the bow. There's lots of pressure from hunters, night hunter and plain old outlaws all year. It's pretty tough to be a trophy hunter in such places. In Maryland I passed on deer all the time with no regrets because it was easy and the population per mile was about 40 more deer. I'd typically see hundreds in the year. I'm looking for a new woods. The last time I was in Ohio I passed on 4 bucks one evening that would have been prizes here.
IF you want to be a trophy hunter, Rule #1 - Hunt where they live.
03-05-2008 | 12:57 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65
That's pretty much what I thought.
But I liked the training wheel anaolgy just the same.
I've killed deer with a recurve and plan on doing it more some day. Just don't know when. Besides, all of my mature buck kills have been between 6 and 21 yards. The real challenge is getting close to them (hunting). I do so by learning about them and their habits. I don't think that by me switching to a recurve would have that much of an effect on me killing a mature buck. I like to get real close to them.
But I liked the training wheel anaolgy just the same.
03-05-2008 | 12:57 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
As a side question kinda off topic. GregH what bow do you shoot? No reason for asking other than curiosity. I never remember you mentioning much about your equipment. How bout a run-down Bow..sight..etc.
Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
03-05-2008 | 01:01 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GregH
That was my "winder-upper"!!! [:-]
ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65
That's pretty much what I thought.
But I liked the training wheel anaolgy just the same.
I've killed deer with a recurve and plan on doing it more some day. Just don't know when. Besides, all of my mature buck kills have been between 6 and 21 yards. The real challenge is getting close to them (hunting). I do so by learning about them and their habits. I don't think that by me switching to a recurve would have that much of an effect on me killing a mature buck. I like to get real close to them.
But I liked the training wheel anaolgy just the same.
03-05-2008 | 01:04 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: davidmil
But that's easier said than done if you want to spend some time in the woods. I'm not talking of taking off and traveling to another state. I'm talking about walking out the door in your home territory and go hunting. Land access is always a problem. Time is a problem. But most of all, deer populations are a problem along with mismanagement by DNR and legislatures. Place genetics and all that in the same pile and everyone is not fortunate to have a 150-175 inch deer around. It's a fact of life. I'm not willing to pay some guy in Illinois, Kansas, Iowa or whereever,$3,500 to hunt for a week so I can say, I'm a Trophy hunter. Everyone doesn't have access to land where big bucks roam. I have in the past in other states but not now so I adjust accordingly. I'm not worried about what I'll have to shoot 10 years from now. I'm 64 years old. How many years do I have left? It's easy to say hunt where they are.... but it's not that simple is it really for MOST people. Most people have families, time restraints, money restraints, and quite frankly other priorities they put first. They still should have a right to hunt and kill what they want within the laws without someone(especially QDM tools like Morris) telling them they're a lesser person if they kill a basketrack.
ORIGINAL: GregH
Nobody's telling you what to do.
IF you want to be a trophy hunter, Rule #1 - Hunt where they live.
ORIGINAL: davidmil
You know, it's real easy to pass on a bunch of bucks when you have a lot of deer. When you can go out and expect to see deer usually every hunt, it's not real hard to say I'll wait for something bigger. I spent the summer glassing every deer within a 3 mile radius of my house. I saw a big 8, and a 6 and a spike repeatedly during the summer and Sept. That was it. During deer season I saw 1 spike and he wasn't the one I watched all summer. Realize, the big 8 and 6 were always on land adjacent to the land I can hunt. The 8 was killed on that same land. For the entire bow season I saw I guess maybe 6 deer from a tree and 3 during the muzzleloader season. I know of one that was poached in my woods with a rifle. So, tell me I'm suppose to pass a basket rack 6 up here when he walks by at 20 yards. Last year I saw and 8 and a spike. I shot the 8 with the bow. There's lots of pressure from hunters, night hunter and plain old outlaws all year. It's pretty tough to be a trophy hunter in such places. In Maryland I passed on deer all the time with no regrets because it was easy and the population per mile was about 40 more deer. I'd typically see hundreds in the year. I'm looking for a new woods. The last time I was in Ohio I passed on 4 bucks one evening that would have been prizes here.
You know, it's real easy to pass on a bunch of bucks when you have a lot of deer. When you can go out and expect to see deer usually every hunt, it's not real hard to say I'll wait for something bigger. I spent the summer glassing every deer within a 3 mile radius of my house. I saw a big 8, and a 6 and a spike repeatedly during the summer and Sept. That was it. During deer season I saw 1 spike and he wasn't the one I watched all summer. Realize, the big 8 and 6 were always on land adjacent to the land I can hunt. The 8 was killed on that same land. For the entire bow season I saw I guess maybe 6 deer from a tree and 3 during the muzzleloader season. I know of one that was poached in my woods with a rifle. So, tell me I'm suppose to pass a basket rack 6 up here when he walks by at 20 yards. Last year I saw and 8 and a spike. I shot the 8 with the bow. There's lots of pressure from hunters, night hunter and plain old outlaws all year. It's pretty tough to be a trophy hunter in such places. In Maryland I passed on deer all the time with no regrets because it was easy and the population per mile was about 40 more deer. I'd typically see hundreds in the year. I'm looking for a new woods. The last time I was in Ohio I passed on 4 bucks one evening that would have been prizes here.
IF you want to be a trophy hunter, Rule #1 - Hunt where they live.
03-05-2008 | 01:04 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: nodog
The logic is a little messed up. Wars have typically excluded women because they are what is needed to replenish the population, wasn't a macho thing. If people shoot doe's the result will be less deer in the future. A lot of doe's equals a lot less deer. I've never did the math but I'd say each doe equals tens of deer if you count theiroff springs off spring. Could even be in the hundreds.3 small bucks equals 3 small bucks. If I was a meat hunter and could add I wouldn't be shooting my breed stock until it's time to thin them out.
In Ohio's history the population of game decreased quickly and the people tried to do some thing about it. One of the biggest problems in reversing the trend was that the natives kept killing doe's by calling as a distressed fawn in the spring. They were strictly warned to stop the practise.
ORIGINAL: magicman54494
My feelings on antler restrictions: It is great idea!!!! It might take a year or two but after that we will havejust as many legal bucks as before and they will be bigger. Everyone wins!When a "meat" hunter kills a bigger buck he gets more meat.
My feelings on antler restrictions: It is great idea!!!! It might take a year or two but after that we will havejust as many legal bucks as before and they will be bigger. Everyone wins!When a "meat" hunter kills a bigger buck he gets more meat.
In Ohio's history the population of game decreased quickly and the people tried to do some thing about it. One of the biggest problems in reversing the trend was that the natives kept killing doe's by calling as a distressed fawn in the spring. They were strictly warned to stop the practise.
03-05-2008 | 01:07 PM
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
4 1/2 year old and older bucks, by their very nature are more challenging to hunt. It's like hunting a different species.
If the woods were "littered with them I would think that it would be somewhat easier to kill one, but I can't say for sure. I have never been in woods littered with mature bucks. Has anyone?
If the woods were "littered with them I would think that it would be somewhat easier to kill one, but I can't say for sure. I have never been in woods littered with mature bucks. Has anyone?
I think it's contradictory to preach "let emgo so they can grow" while at the same time saying how big of a challenge it is to kill a "mature" whitetail.Is it the challenge or the horns that one is after?
If it were the challenge, then I can't understand the "let em grow so they can grow" argument. If it's the Horns, then I don't know why those people just don'tgo to a fenced ranch.