LOL bud, I had 4 with wings tonight.

No, no, no....I'm asking you to go a little deeper than that statement.

WHY do you seemingly (and I say that because I have no idea of what you're really trying to say) want to NOT admit that bowhunting with traditional gear is harder than bowhunting with compound gear? My range is shorter with the trad bow.....so I have to be in the tree lower. My level of proficiency takes MUCH longer to obtain. If you're basing your assertion on 10 yds is 10 yds......well.....then I'd ask you.....why do you bowhunt vs. gun hunt? I hope that's fair. I admit....I do it for the challenge. I'm no compound OR trad elitist. Just staing why "I" like each (hell you know me). Anything I've ever had to work hard at .....I've garnered a lot of satisfaction when I became proficient at it. That's all I'm saying. So the 10 yd trad shot woud give me a LOT more stisfaction....knowing I'd worked hard to master it.

I don't know......just seems like you don't want to say what most see is obvious. No big deal...and I could be all wrong.

HAHAHHAHAH...there it is.....the comment about the indians trading their bows for a good musket!! I love it! My posting educates me even more.[:@] Darn stick bows.....even in the year 1865 those darn indians wanted that round ball going 1800 feet per second....they wanted what we have now.......

but you still should try to take yourself back.....when you're 80 years old and on your way out..."you can say "I'm an indian" Thats right....I'm an indian....I did it......

Haha, I'm sure the reason that 95% of people use compounds is because they are just as hard to hunt with as trad bows.

Seriously, with discipline and practice, a person's trad groupsarehalf what their compound groups are for most guys. So if you're comfy with36 yd hunting shots with a compound, you're probably in the18 yd realm practiced with trad bows. That's1,018 sy that you could cover with a compound and 254 sy whichyou could cover with a trad bow, or just 1/4th the area. When a deer does come in, there's no holding back 20# of your 60# bow for a full minute, motionless while it offers a shot. You can probably hold the full 60# of your trad bow for but a few precious seconds before your muscles fatigue badly, which means your draw must be in the immediate presence of the animal, often at a closer range.All of that is part of the welcomed challenge, which is but one aspect in theallure of traditional bows. Again, those not interested or anxious to argue against it probably wouldn't do best to try. But those with piqued interest may indeed discover something they love if they were to try.

No. But your analogy is somewhat a slap in the face to trad shooters (comparing being proficient with a scoped ML v. proficient with a trad bow.....andall that entails).

I'd ask you to try again.

I don't gun hunt because I have no desire to send a lead slug into the vitals of a deer. Plain and simple. If I chose a gun for your example and I allowed all game that I kill with it to come to within my effective bow range then would the HUNT be harder or easier because of my weapon of choice?

Again, A couple of years ago I missed a buck at 16 yards with my compound, I probably could have hit or missed it as well with traditional gear so why was using my compound an easier hunt?

It slaps no one, it's only limited by the range but bow being equal, why is it a harder hunt with one weapon over another. For you example above, let's use a rifle and a compound.

Two elk hunters go hunting, walk for hours on end, calling, hiking and working their hardest to kill an elk. One carries a compound bow, one carries a rifle. Both kill their bulls at 20 yards. Which one was the harder hunt?

I think the "hunting the hard way" analogy also includes the dedication it takes to become a good shot and then the experience it takes to maintain that form at the moment of truth....

Technically, I agree with you Rob, the hunt itself is no different.....

For the most part it is all about the shooting.....

I see it like this, Rob.

You have 2 hands and 10 fingers. I'll hand you a guitar and I'll take one.

According to you.....they both should be (and ARE) equally "easy" to play. Let's turn a few tunes out.

I don;t know.....I always see becoming proficient with my weapon as being an integral part of bowhunting. You seem to want to dismiss this......and I just don't understand that.

I know shooting or become proficient with a traditional bow takes more practice. No one debates that.

Okay, you take your new recurve out and because of proficiency limitations your maximum range is 10 yards, you succeed at taking your doe at 10 yards, to you, perhaps that might mean more than taking one with a compound. Kudos.

Same scenerio, a new compound purchaser practices the exact same amount of time you do with your recurve, he's not so good so he too limits himself to only taking his deer at a maximum 10 yards and does so successfully.

Whose hunt was harder?