When people say healthier they are talking about the whole herd, not just one deer

Is it me or is this the exact opposite of your earlier post[&:]

im with atlas on this one as a fellow new yorker it p**ses me off when people complain about no big bucks but shoot every little deer they see because either they want to belance the herd or get the need to shoot something as ive heard it put why dont those people do something about it and practice some qdm and let the babies go[:@][:@]

hey greenboy I really don't think you're with Atlas with this one

No..........you are. I don't know anything about MI. So again........why don't hunters push for fewer young male rabbits, or squirrels, or hogs, or does for that matter to be shot?? How come no one cares if someone shoots a young deer............unless it's a buck.


That statement is true based on my experiences with the topic.


Yes, exactly like mine...............now why is one better then the other, if that is the only difference??


I don't mind change.............forced change is another story.

I'll ask again. Would it not mean more to you if you did it without the state helping make them bigger?
Or is there a certain number, say a 140, that if you can get it, it doesn't matter how it got that way?

And,in order for your goal to be met, is it right that the state should make all hunters hunt the way you do?
If so - why?

Steve

When I was old enough head out into the woods with my dad and brothers............a story VERY few kids today will ever tell.

Can you prove this statement??


You said they died in the winter............can you prove that if you had fewer deer that the same number would not have died??.......or that if they had only shot fewer young bucks it could have been avoided??

A tough winter is a tough winter.............animals die, mother nature is cold hearted. That's life. Blaming it on an "unhealthy" herd is another example of bending the truth in a self serving manner IMO.



If you are comparing the same deer (age) then yes (to a degree).........simply saying the deer were bigger is meaningless because they were obviously older as well..........and age=extra lbs.

Would you say a 700 lb man is healthier then a 180 lb man (same height and age) ??



Then Germ should do everything he can to go get one...........and not expect or insist that everyone else help Germ accomplish a goal that is Germ's goal.


Wanting to preserve your freedom to hunt as you wish is selfish??

No data, no proof

So have you mounted allyour others if they are all the same? I am guessing you mounted all those does. They are all the same right?

I still waiting for my proof about the above comment you made. I answerd this question. Being we're talking deer and not bunnies try to stick to your topic Small game is way different. We could talk Turkeys also, but again different

So what are your ideas? IF you do not want force change get into the action. Standing on the sidelines and whining is no fun. Stand up and tell them your ideas. Atlas I agree with you, but I know change is coming to the way deer herds are managed. I would rather be part of it, than being a stick in the mud.

Finding a solution that is fair to most is my call. I know everyone is not going to be happy, but we are doing the best we can.

Again you got bucks of your brain. The issue in the UP had to do with shooting to few does Not talking bucks here. As soon as QDM is mention bucks come to mind. Atlas does, does, does think does here. What led to the crash was a serious of events. Being NY does not bait or feed you guys are in way better shape. Our herd was dependant on us feeding them through the winter. In 95 feeding was banned due to TB.Now an over populated herd was left on its own. They destroyed the deer yards, and to this day have not recovered to what they where.

Yes I can Ask any hunter in the UP, need some names and numbers?

Nice try



Where have I ask? Hell I hunt with Uncle Trigger, LOL

Rabbits or humans, lets stick to deer. Ask someone else your loaded questions. Just so you know we are talking about whitetails, here is a picture of one so you know

Steve,

That is a flat out GREAT post............you nailed it.

If you want a slammer they can be found in NY (I tip my hat to each and every hunter who drops a brute around here) It is a HUGE challenge and the satisfaction from accomplishing it must be tremendous. Just finding one to hunt could take years.

So it's out there............it's not a realistic yearly goal and it is closer to finding a needle in a stack of needles but it is there. Certainly not the worst place to hunt for big ones but a monster challenge for certain.

What we do have is great hunting...........end of story. You can see deer and if you have enough patience you can kill one. They are not rolling by your stand in herds of 30+ but they aren't extinct either. Seeing a deer is a GOOD day where I hunt.........getting a deer is a GREAT day. I wouldn't want to hunt where killing a deer was no challenge other then picking which one to shoot..........I also don't like sitting on stand for a week and seeing nothing.

We are right in the middle ground (Germ )............enough deer to enjoy hunting and not enough so it is a decent challenge just to score no matter what it is. There are slammer's out there and finding one and putting him down is a challenge worthy of serious praise.

What's wrong with that??

You want a brute............go chase one.

You want to hunt and enjoy a challenge and see some deer........have at it.


If it ain't broke..............don't fix it