That is crazy.......chances of wounded a animal is too much of a risk!!

Horrible....just horrible

The last 3 shots I've taken on animals, 22 yards and close, all three very good shot selections, have ended in wounded deer not recovered.

How are those 3 shots, that ended in wounded and lost deer, BETTER shots than this one that ended in a dead deer ?




I dunno - his shooting, not mine. From what I know, he's shooting 100% on shots at that distance.

They aren't better shots if YOU missed making a clean kill. If you've made the last 3 of your shots that close and only wounded the animal with no recovery then they weren't better shots. They were merely better presentations. From what I now know...your shots suck.

You need to learn the difference between a good shot, and a good presentation. They are two totally different things.

BTW bustert maybe you should stop before you dig your hole to deep to get out of.

You are all right that shots on muley's are usually longer than what we whitetail hunters are used to. Should this shot of of the supposed 103 yds. been attempted is the question? In the conditions such as a crosswing and such i don't believe that this shot should have been taken, but in good conditions a practiced archer of that distance can take that shot. There should be a pin for that distance hold over is unacceptable, you must have a precise aiming reference. Would i ever attemp this shot? NO!! But i believe that there are people that under certain conditions can ethically take this shot.

Excellent ........ then the 103 yard shot that made a clea kill was a good shot !



They were very good shots - broadside on one of them, quartering away on the other two - CLASSIC "good" shots ....... right ?



LOL ........ I "need to learn" ? I'm not a newbie at this game of bowhunting. I've notched my share of whitetails, bull elk and a couple of mule deer. Bowhunted going on 2 decades now, with crossbows, old compounds, new compounds, longbows and recurves.

You want me to tell you something ? A "good presentation" don't mean much. It doesn't. All that matters is that the animal is dead, and quickly.

I took a fantastic shot this year, a guy I know took what I would consider a very iffy shot ...... I lost my deer, he found his dead 200 yards away.

My good presentation didn't mean jack. His presentation didn't either ....... his arrow found its mark, mine didn't.

Yes, of course some shots are probably higher percentages than others ....... but more deer are lost every year to broadside shooting than any other IMO, the shots are "good presentations" and the end results are wounded deer.


I don't care what anyone thinks about me. I hunt for my hunting, not for you, not for anyone else. My ethics are my own, I hunt for myself, no one else.

Use to be I would have argued that its VERY important to take "good presentation" shots ....... for the "good" of bowhunting. I realize now that with high fences, game farms, outfitters, and most importantly hunting shows that DO NOT represent the average hunters, and actually IMO reflect poorly on hunting, that I need not worry about a bad image.

Why ?

I'm in the woods, hunting my own hunt, I do the very best I can and thats all I can do. I'm a hunter, I kill animals - sometimes I wound animals, sometimes I miss them, thats hunting.


So tell me, ethical police, how can you call this guys shooting bad, when he killed his animal, and my 12 yard quartering away shot that ended in wounded animal good ? I had a MUCH better "presentation" didn't I ? The shot didn't go good though.

You can't. You can try and say I took a better shot, but of course the end results don't prove that, do that ?

Buster,
If you've had 2 close wounding shots, I honestly would have to question how well hit these animals were, or whether the BH was worth it's price as scrap metal.

I wounded a 150-class buck 3 yrs. ago, and the shot still plays over and over in my head, I know I hit him high, but not that high, but I never found him. Even had some "lung" blood but very little. I must've one lung him, or something, but I know for sure, he's not on my wall. That was a high percentage shot, 11yds, but from 20ft up, I hit him too high. I learned from that shot though, I hold everything on heart from 24yds (where I set my first pin) and in, figuring that if I hold heart, and hit a little high, worst I can do it get double lung. One of those things (another argument) 3D shooting doesn't teach you.

As to the last statement, who really knows how many shots he took, before he nailed the one we saw on video??? Maybe he did get LUCKY and nail that buck on the first long shot he took with that bow, or maybe not. LUCKY????[:-] Yep, I sure did say that. Because with all that wind, that shot was a prayer to even some of the best archers to be hitting a kill on a medium sized mule deer. Heck at 100yds, for that matter, even those tiny little .09 pins would look huge on his body, let alone those "giant" .19 and .29's most of us use.

Buster T.The first quote you put a helluva spin on for your answer. You must be a democrat. Never in my post did I even come close to sayingthat the 103 yard shot was a good shot. Here is what I will say about it. It was a lucky shot. It was a hail mary shot that had luck on it's side.

The second quote....read the last sentence in it.

The third quote...Just because you've been hunting for a long time doesn't mean you are doing it right.

I'm going back to the offseason forum, it's more interesting over there.