Shooting buttons.
11-12-2002 | 10:09 AM
#12
Typical Buck
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From: chattaahoochee fl
RE: Shooting buttons.
my bigest reasion for taking any leagle deer is 35 to 45 deer per mile.
25 to 35 to 1 antlerss deer to anltlerd deer
seeing heards 25+ deer eating on my filds all most every afternoon.
the bigest single count for all filds this year was 85 deer sean in one night.
i had over 2 acres of SF ate down in 2 nights.
my wifes flower and her garden were ate all the way down. right here there are just to many deer.
FL has a deer population estmat of 1.2 million to 1.5m
the estmated harves is only 120 thousand.
Ga. estmt 1.5 to 1.8 million deer but there take is 480 thousand.
and Fl is lossing deer habatat. so more and more deer are movig to rual\farms so we get dubble pop. per mile.
and if BB are leagle to take why not?
Deer here are geting to be pest not game
L. O. D. Charter member and L.O.S.
25 to 35 to 1 antlerss deer to anltlerd deer
seeing heards 25+ deer eating on my filds all most every afternoon.
the bigest single count for all filds this year was 85 deer sean in one night.
i had over 2 acres of SF ate down in 2 nights.
my wifes flower and her garden were ate all the way down. right here there are just to many deer.
FL has a deer population estmat of 1.2 million to 1.5m
the estmated harves is only 120 thousand.
Ga. estmt 1.5 to 1.8 million deer but there take is 480 thousand.
and Fl is lossing deer habatat. so more and more deer are movig to rual\farms so we get dubble pop. per mile.
and if BB are leagle to take why not?
Deer here are geting to be pest not game
L. O. D. Charter member and L.O.S.
11-12-2002 | 10:57 AM
#13
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From: Rock WV USA
RE: Shooting buttons.
My personal opinion is you are just killing next year's bucks by shooting button bucks. Most places the doe to buck ratio is so out of line that shooting button bucks only adds to the problem. If you just want to kill a deer you are much better off shooting a mature doe or any doe for that matter. Let the button's walk after all the mature bucks that we dream of once were buttons!!!
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11-12-2002 | 11:24 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Harford Co Maryland USA
RE: Shooting buttons.
Personal opinion plays a huge role in this so I won't condemn those who disagree with me (even though they're wrong)! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
The 2nd link provided was great and I had read similar assessments before. The author makes good sense and I agree with his philosphy.
I personally don't like to take immature deer of either sex. On my son's first hunt, I had told him not to shoot fawns and, sure enough, a fawn walked around under him for about 3 hours--sometimes at point blank range. He left his bow on the hook and just watched. I was proud. When he DID finally get a shot, he harvested a beautiful P&Y 8 point! I have taken button bucks on a couple of occassions, but I mistook them for does. Choosing now to shoot only mature deer solves that problem. BTW--my signature (below) has been the same for years now.
Today's small bucks are tomorrow's trophies.
The 2nd link provided was great and I had read similar assessments before. The author makes good sense and I agree with his philosphy.
I personally don't like to take immature deer of either sex. On my son's first hunt, I had told him not to shoot fawns and, sure enough, a fawn walked around under him for about 3 hours--sometimes at point blank range. He left his bow on the hook and just watched. I was proud. When he DID finally get a shot, he harvested a beautiful P&Y 8 point! I have taken button bucks on a couple of occassions, but I mistook them for does. Choosing now to shoot only mature deer solves that problem. BTW--my signature (below) has been the same for years now.
Today's small bucks are tomorrow's trophies.
11-12-2002 | 11:44 AM
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From: Hamilton Square NJ USA
RE: Shooting buttons.
grim reaper, it's physiologically impossible for a 7 month old deer to have an 8pt rack. Just not possible. Ask any biologist, I just did.
He'd have to refute the laws governing photoperiodism, testosterone, sexual maturity, well, just about everything we know about deer.
Where do you get this stuff? LOL
"In heaven, even the fish have antlers"
He'd have to refute the laws governing photoperiodism, testosterone, sexual maturity, well, just about everything we know about deer.
Where do you get this stuff? LOL
"In heaven, even the fish have antlers"
11-12-2002 | 12:13 PM
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RE: Shooting buttons.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Cajon in most areas 6-8 month old deer usualy do only have button's but in some cases they can have actual antler's I knew a deer breeder who had an 8 point 7 month old. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Most fawns around here are born in the beginning of June. Antler growth usually starts in April. These fawns would have to start growing their antlers in the womb for that to be possible. Antler growth stops and they start shedding velvet about end of August to beginning of Sept. That would mean that a little 40 lb, 3 month old buck would have a fully grown 8 point rack. Impossible, unless the deer famer is treating with some kind of very strange hormone. I think this guy is pulling your leg.
Most fawns around here are born in the beginning of June. Antler growth usually starts in April. These fawns would have to start growing their antlers in the womb for that to be possible. Antler growth stops and they start shedding velvet about end of August to beginning of Sept. That would mean that a little 40 lb, 3 month old buck would have a fully grown 8 point rack. Impossible, unless the deer famer is treating with some kind of very strange hormone. I think this guy is pulling your leg.
11-12-2002 | 12:16 PM
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Dominant Buck
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From: Blossvale, New York
RE: Shooting buttons.
I'm with Straigharrow on this. 99.9999 of the fawns from that year will have nubs or just a scab through the skin. No 8 points in year one unless you catch one from 3 Mile Island.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
11-12-2002 | 02:40 PM
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RE: Shooting buttons.
SJHunter,
What harsh words are you referring to? This thread is an inquiry into the wildlife management philosophy of shooting button bucks. I've noticed no harsh words in this thread, but I have noticed a couple posts like yours that act as if there are. Just what is so offensive about discussing the benefits of either shooting or not shooting button bucks? This thread has nothing to do with harassing a hunter about shooting a button buck. I started it here so it wouldn't be confused with those who want to police ethics. We're talking management here, not ethics.
What harsh words are you referring to? This thread is an inquiry into the wildlife management philosophy of shooting button bucks. I've noticed no harsh words in this thread, but I have noticed a couple posts like yours that act as if there are. Just what is so offensive about discussing the benefits of either shooting or not shooting button bucks? This thread has nothing to do with harassing a hunter about shooting a button buck. I started it here so it wouldn't be confused with those who want to police ethics. We're talking management here, not ethics.