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Antler Restrictions
02-12-2006 | 09:48 PM
#31
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Antler Restrictions
IMHO no one has the right to tell me or anyone else what size the bones on top of a deers head should be before it is allowed to become food on my table.
If you want bones on your wall then travel or do what you gotta do to shoot those animals but don't tell others they can't kill an animal to eat just becasue it doesn't have a large rack.
Managing a healthy deer heard does not mean that the bucks must posess huge antlers. What it does mean is that the habitat in which they live must not be over populated so that the deer get proper jutrition and that there is a proper ballance of bucks and does.
Programs like the earn a buck program and others that specifically limit the ammount of bucks a person is allowed to take is fine as it promotes a ballance and keeps the heard numbers in check but don't restrict others hunting experiances and food oportunities just because you like bones.
If you want bones on your wall then travel or do what you gotta do to shoot those animals but don't tell others they can't kill an animal to eat just becasue it doesn't have a large rack.
Managing a healthy deer heard does not mean that the bucks must posess huge antlers. What it does mean is that the habitat in which they live must not be over populated so that the deer get proper jutrition and that there is a proper ballance of bucks and does.
Programs like the earn a buck program and others that specifically limit the ammount of bucks a person is allowed to take is fine as it promotes a ballance and keeps the heard numbers in check but don't restrict others hunting experiances and food oportunities just because you like bones.
02-13-2006 | 05:38 AM
#35
Nontypical Buck
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From: Moravia NY USA
RE: Antler Restrictions
What is it with everyone in NY? Are you Atlasman's brother? Geeez. Why so defensive?
I'll agree it's not a perfect management system but it's better than none at all believe that. And your examples of young bucks with large racks and old bucks with spikes is ridiculous and 99.9% of the time the exception rather than the rule.
I'll agree it's not a perfect management system but it's better than none at all believe that. And your examples of young bucks with large racks and old bucks with spikes is ridiculous and 99.9% of the time the exception rather than the rule.
Never met Atlasman.
Defensive because one group wants to MANDATE everyone's "trophy"
A study by cnywhitetails.com show 50% plus of our 1 1/2 bucks are 6 pt or better.Even more by 2 1/2. Not the .01% you claim.They are ashooter under points based AR. Targeting the best young bucks is good?
Please show me the studies supporting your statements that only .01% of older bucks in central NY have what AR would consider "non trophy" racks.
My experience suggests otherwise, but show me the proof and I'll believe you.
I agree there is no perfect management system - becauseit is impossible to have a blanket system that will work in all areas.That is why I am againstimplementing a substandard one that may somewhat work for some areas just to have one.
I do support the goal of TRUE QDM, let IMMATURE YOUNG bucks walk, shot some does and encourage others to do the same. But if someone enjoys just hunting deer, I support their right to that also.It is unfortunate that the vast majority of AR proponents (not necessarily you) either haveno idea what QDM really is or simply want to trophy manage (not qdm) everyones hunt to their standards wherever that may fall.
Steve
02-13-2006 | 09:10 AM
#36
Nontypical Buck
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From: Wisconsin
RE: Antler Restrictions
I also think everyone gets antler restrictions mixed up with trophy hunting.
In an area where the buck to doe ratio is out of wack it would be very useful. Instead of killing a small buck, someone would be more apt to kill a doe, thus bringing the ratio back in check. Think about it, 1 less buck killed and one more doe killed, thatsa 2 deer swing closer to a better ratio. There would then be more mature bucks to do the breeding, and there would also be less does bred during the second estrous.This would easily create a healthier deer herd.
The problem lies with those who don't/wont shoot doe. I hunt in an area that was EAB for 2004 and will be EAB again this year. It would have been EAB in 2005 as well if it weren't for red tape ruining it for the DNR.
Getting hunters to participate in the doe only hunts is what we need around here.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it go full circle and instead of a special doe permit by lottery (like years ago) , it would be aspecial buck permit required to shoot a buck. Then you'll hear some loud whinning from those who chose not to shoot does.
02-13-2006 | 02:01 PM
#38
Site Buck Guru
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From: Racine, Wisconsin
RE: Antler Restrictions
ORIGINAL: BOWFANATIC
While I agree that our buck to doe ratio is way out of balance , I'm not convinced that antler restrictions would correct this problem.
I will be completely open minded for anyone who tries to convince me that antler restrictions will work in getting the buck to doe ratio in check.
ORIGINAL: GregH
I kinda wish it would come to Wi. I think it would greatly improve our out of balance buck/doe ratio.
I kinda wish it would come to Wi. I think it would greatly improve our out of balance buck/doe ratio.
While I agree that our buck to doe ratio is way out of balance , I'm not convinced that antler restrictions would correct this problem.
I will be completely open minded for anyone who tries to convince me that antler restrictions will work in getting the buck to doe ratio in check.
02-13-2006 | 02:38 PM
#39
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: North Carolina
RE: Antler Restrictions
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
AR - you mean mandatory trophy management?
Where one group gets the power to decide what everyone's "trophy should be?
Where a 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 (YOUNG)buck with 3 per or 4 per side scoring 60 is a shooter?
Where a 4 1/2 yo, true mature buck with a 16' set of spikes walks?
Quess my opinion of MANDATORY AR (attempted trophy) management.
Steve
AR - you mean mandatory trophy management?
Where one group gets the power to decide what everyone's "trophy should be?
Where a 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 (YOUNG)buck with 3 per or 4 per side scoring 60 is a shooter?
Where a 4 1/2 yo, true mature buck with a 16' set of spikes walks?
Quess my opinion of MANDATORY AR (attempted trophy) management.
Steve
02-13-2006 | 03:03 PM
#40
Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Wisconsin and Canada
RE: Antler Restrictions
Like I said before, I have no problem whit people shooting anything they want as long as its legal
But, I do have a question for all the people who say, "don't tell me what to shoot, I'm gonna shoot whatever I want." (as long as its legal)
What is your idea of a quality deer herd? Is itmore deer? Healthier deer? What?
In a lot of areas the deer population is out of control. There are guys who will shoot a spike before they shoot a doe. This does nothing for population control.
If we as hunters can't keep the deer population in check, then who will?
If you think this has nothing to do with ARs, you are sorely mistaken.
But, I do have a question for all the people who say, "don't tell me what to shoot, I'm gonna shoot whatever I want." (as long as its legal)
What is your idea of a quality deer herd? Is itmore deer? Healthier deer? What?
In a lot of areas the deer population is out of control. There are guys who will shoot a spike before they shoot a doe. This does nothing for population control.
If we as hunters can't keep the deer population in check, then who will?
If you think this has nothing to do with ARs, you are sorely mistaken.