Whisker Bisquit Accuracy
#111
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I have shot the B-2 whisker biscuit using a Hooter-Shooter to hold the bow and it shot the arrow into the exact same hole twelve times in a row! That is accurate enough for me!
Tuning a bow for success is simple enough to do. Most bows will shoot a level arrow from the 90degree position on the bowstring if the bow is set at an even tiller.
Windage for the whisker biscuit should be set by grouptuning at different distances using the correct spine arrows for the bow. The correct spine arrows will hit the same vertical line at all distances while the incorrect spine arrows will not.
Smooth finish arrow are noiseless when drawn on the rest. Easton Axis, Beman ICS, and Carbon Express Terminator Select shafts have all shot quietly from my bows. You can get a good idea about how much noise a shaft may make by drawing it across your fingernail next to your ear.
I have one of the older black biscuits that has been on a dozen different bows. This rest has been flattened both sides. It has over 50,000 shots on it and its still ballson accurate and ready to go another 50,000 shots. It shoots very quietly too.
I'm happy to find a rest that actually improves with age. I don't miss having to replace tape, moleskin, or nail-polish before or after a hunt.
My biscuits stay in tune. They don't bend, break, or go out of time.
The biscuit is simple, easy to work with, and reliable as rain. If you are going to hunt with the bow you would be well advised to use a whisker biscuit on it.
Good luck hunting! >>>------------->
Tuning a bow for success is simple enough to do. Most bows will shoot a level arrow from the 90degree position on the bowstring if the bow is set at an even tiller.
Windage for the whisker biscuit should be set by grouptuning at different distances using the correct spine arrows for the bow. The correct spine arrows will hit the same vertical line at all distances while the incorrect spine arrows will not.
Smooth finish arrow are noiseless when drawn on the rest. Easton Axis, Beman ICS, and Carbon Express Terminator Select shafts have all shot quietly from my bows. You can get a good idea about how much noise a shaft may make by drawing it across your fingernail next to your ear.
I have one of the older black biscuits that has been on a dozen different bows. This rest has been flattened both sides. It has over 50,000 shots on it and its still ballson accurate and ready to go another 50,000 shots. It shoots very quietly too.
I'm happy to find a rest that actually improves with age. I don't miss having to replace tape, moleskin, or nail-polish before or after a hunt.
My biscuits stay in tune. They don't bend, break, or go out of time.
The biscuit is simple, easy to work with, and reliable as rain. If you are going to hunt with the bow you would be well advised to use a whisker biscuit on it.
Good luck hunting! >>>------------->
#113
Giant Nontypical
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Arroman, Arroman,Arroman....
Still at it with the HooterShooter baloney, huh? 
You know, I can mount my longbow in your hootiescootie and make it shoot 12 arrows thru the same hole too. You got tired of replacing moleskin, nail polish and stuff and went to the wb, huh? Well, I got tired of everything involved with maintaininga piece of crap compound - replacingcables, cranking on screws and bolts, keepingstuff tight so it won't vibrate or fall off while I'm shooting, having to buy several releases at $100 a pop so I'd have spares when one of 'em broke... So I pitched it all andwent straight back toshooting a longbow.
You suggest that, since the wb can shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from the hootiescootie, and since YOU like the wb, then everyone should only do what YOU like and use the wb.
Now,sincemy longbow can also shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from that machine, and since I like the longbow, thenI have just as much call to expect everyone to only do what Ilike. So here is my recommendation. Everybody who is going to hunt with a bow would be well advised to onlyuse a longbow.[8D]
I know, saying that isludicrous. Completely ridiculous.Your problem is that you don't know that it's exactly as ludicrous andridiculous as your recommendation.What you wb snobs have to learn is, the wb is NOT the perfect rest for everyone. Just like a longbow is not the perfect bow for everyone. Understand??
I know. It's hard to accept. Now, now... Stop crying... It'll be okay.

Still at it with the HooterShooter baloney, huh? 
You know, I can mount my longbow in your hootiescootie and make it shoot 12 arrows thru the same hole too. You got tired of replacing moleskin, nail polish and stuff and went to the wb, huh? Well, I got tired of everything involved with maintaininga piece of crap compound - replacingcables, cranking on screws and bolts, keepingstuff tight so it won't vibrate or fall off while I'm shooting, having to buy several releases at $100 a pop so I'd have spares when one of 'em broke... So I pitched it all andwent straight back toshooting a longbow.
You suggest that, since the wb can shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from the hootiescootie, and since YOU like the wb, then everyone should only do what YOU like and use the wb.
Now,sincemy longbow can also shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from that machine, and since I like the longbow, thenI have just as much call to expect everyone to only do what Ilike. So here is my recommendation. Everybody who is going to hunt with a bow would be well advised to onlyuse a longbow.[8D]
I know, saying that isludicrous. Completely ridiculous.Your problem is that you don't know that it's exactly as ludicrous andridiculous as your recommendation.What you wb snobs have to learn is, the wb is NOT the perfect rest for everyone. Just like a longbow is not the perfect bow for everyone. Understand??
I know. It's hard to accept. Now, now... Stop crying... It'll be okay.

#114
Arthur, what I can't figure out is why you long bow "snobs" can't let this topic be
This poor horse has been beat so much, that I think even the coyotes are lookin' for fresh meat

This poor horse has been beat so much, that I think even the coyotes are lookin' for fresh meat

#115
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From: NY
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Arroman, Arroman,Arroman....
Still at it with the HooterShooter baloney, huh? 
You know, I can mount my longbow in your hootiescootie and make it shoot 12 arrows thru the same hole too. You got tired of replacing moleskin, nail polish and stuff and went to the wb, huh? Well, I got tired of everything involved with maintaininga piece of crap compound - replacingcables, cranking on screws and bolts, keepingstuff tight so it won't vibrate or fall off while I'm shooting, having to buy several releases at $100 a pop so I'd have spares when one of 'em broke... So I pitched it all andwent straight back toshooting a longbow.
You suggest that, since the wb can shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from the hootiescootie, and since YOU like the wb, then everyone should only do what YOU like and use the wb.
Now,sincemy longbow can also shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from that machine, and since I like the longbow, thenI have just as much call to expect everyone to only do what Ilike. So here is my recommendation. Everybody who is going to hunt with a bow would be well advised to onlyuse a longbow.[8D]
I know, saying that isludicrous. Completely ridiculous.Your problem is that you don't know that it's exactly as ludicrous andridiculous as your recommendation.What you wb snobs have to learn is, the wb is NOT the perfect rest for everyone. Just like a longbow is not the perfect bow for everyone. Understand??
I know. It's hard to accept. Now, now... Stop crying... It'll be okay.

Arroman, Arroman,Arroman....
Still at it with the HooterShooter baloney, huh? 
You know, I can mount my longbow in your hootiescootie and make it shoot 12 arrows thru the same hole too. You got tired of replacing moleskin, nail polish and stuff and went to the wb, huh? Well, I got tired of everything involved with maintaininga piece of crap compound - replacingcables, cranking on screws and bolts, keepingstuff tight so it won't vibrate or fall off while I'm shooting, having to buy several releases at $100 a pop so I'd have spares when one of 'em broke... So I pitched it all andwent straight back toshooting a longbow.
You suggest that, since the wb can shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from the hootiescootie, and since YOU like the wb, then everyone should only do what YOU like and use the wb.
Now,sincemy longbow can also shoot 12 arrows in the same hole from that machine, and since I like the longbow, thenI have just as much call to expect everyone to only do what Ilike. So here is my recommendation. Everybody who is going to hunt with a bow would be well advised to onlyuse a longbow.[8D]
I know, saying that isludicrous. Completely ridiculous.Your problem is that you don't know that it's exactly as ludicrous andridiculous as your recommendation.What you wb snobs have to learn is, the wb is NOT the perfect rest for everyone. Just like a longbow is not the perfect bow for everyone. Understand??
I know. It's hard to accept. Now, now... Stop crying... It'll be okay.

Biggest difference I see in your analogy is that there are obvious reasons why people choose a compound over a long bow...........on the other hand the reasons people give for not shooting a WB are more urban legend then fact. Loses speed??....nope.......Wrecks vanes???......nope.........Loud???...... nope.......Accuracy??......no problem........hard to work with??.........not at all.
Most guys don't like the WB because they insist that it shouldn't work...............not that it doesn't

#116
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Archers helping archers is the Archerytalk motto.
If someone needs a helpful hint or two as to how things work in a successfull manner and I can help them sort it out I will.
I helped build my first longbow over 45years ago. I have built rests, sights, and bows since then.
I collect and shoot longbows, recurves, and compound bows. I have bows built by Fred Bear, Dale Dye, and Paul Schafer as well as modern compound bows.
When I see evidence of people not using tools in what I concider to be an appropriate manner I will attempt to offer some help. Inevitably what I will write may seem to be a bit repetitive. But what I do and what I say is the truth. And that is all that matters to me.
Negative posts offer little of value to anyone.
I'd rather learn how to get something to work than how to make it fail.
And in my experience the whisker biscuit has never failed me.
Good luck hunting! >>>------------>
If someone needs a helpful hint or two as to how things work in a successfull manner and I can help them sort it out I will.
I helped build my first longbow over 45years ago. I have built rests, sights, and bows since then.
I collect and shoot longbows, recurves, and compound bows. I have bows built by Fred Bear, Dale Dye, and Paul Schafer as well as modern compound bows.
When I see evidence of people not using tools in what I concider to be an appropriate manner I will attempt to offer some help. Inevitably what I will write may seem to be a bit repetitive. But what I do and what I say is the truth. And that is all that matters to me.
Negative posts offer little of value to anyone.
I'd rather learn how to get something to work than how to make it fail.
And in my experience the whisker biscuit has never failed me.
Good luck hunting! >>>------------>
#117
Giant Nontypical
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Biggest difference I see in your analogy is that there are obvious reasons why people choose a compound over a long bow

Arroman! I hope the whisker bisquitnever does fail you. But it will. Eventually. Nothing is perfect. Even longbows break, eventually.
Archers helping archers is a great thing. You, Arroman, seem to imply that I am not helping. I take great exception to that.
For instance, I amNOT the one beating folks about the head and shoulders saying or, at least, implying, since this shooting machine can put 12 arrows through the same hole with a wb, then their form obviously sucks or they can't tune a bow if thewb isn'tdoingwell for them.How is that 'helping' anyone?
Even if the rest is MECHANICALLY capable of that kind of accuracy, that does NOT mean that it will show that capability in the hands of each and every person who shoots a bow.
Those who refuse to acknowledge a products limitations and inherent problems, to the point of trying to silence all criticism of that product, have crossed the line. Once that line is crossed,he who had been a FAN of said product has now become a FANATIC.
To those struggling archers for whom the whisker bisquit IS failing.... for those who have made all themodificationsandare still frustrated andhaving unsatisfactory results....I'll say it once again. The whisker bisquit is absolutely, positively not THE rest for everybody.
Don't listen to these overly zealous guys who beat you about the head and shoulders because you can't get the rest to perform. What works for some does not always work for all.'They' like it, sosell it to one of them. Or tie a nickle on that wb, so it'll be worth something, and throw it in the river. Whatever.... Once you are rid of the source of frustration,then go buy a rest that will do what you need for it to do.
See, Arrowman? That is not negativity. To most regular folks that is plainol' common sense.
#118
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From: NY
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Atlasman, what obvious reasons? Let me hearyour list of obvious reasons having to do with the longbow, so I cancall them 'urban legends.'
Atlasman, what obvious reasons? Let me hearyour list of obvious reasons having to do with the longbow, so I cancall them 'urban legends.'
Speed........Is it common for long bows to push arrows over 300 fps?
Equipment.......options for compounds are endless.
There is a few to get ya started

No matter how true they are, once they are labeled 'urban legends' they automatically become invalid. Right?
#119
the hoootie deal holds the bow in the exact same position when it is let of correct? when i shoot, i move a little when i release, the sudden change from 70 pounds on my hand to zero i move. i think this would happen to anybody unless they had robotic arms. point is with my drop away that little bit i do move doesnt matter at all. because all the arrow is touching is the string, with a wb any little bit you move it will have an effect on the arrows flight. its impossible not to. oh and tell me please how friction doesnt make something slow down. last time i checked that was a known fact backed up by everyone who knows anything. i dont mean to sound like a jerk but comparing yourself to a machine and denying that friction slows something down, come on now.
#120
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The correct arrow to biscuit fit is a loose one. A tight biscuit to arrow fit would create a noticable drop in speed.
Bows that have been set at an even tiller will tend to shoot a level arrow from the 90degree position on the bowstring. A level approach to the biscuit will provides very little friction from the arrow and no speed loss as a result.
Any tiller/nocking point combination that increases the profile of the arrow and fletching to the biscuit will increase the amount of speed loss and there will also be a noticable increase in the amount of noise the bow makes at the shot.
High nocking points and unbalanced tiller combinations that were needed for other styles of rests are not neccessary with the biscuit.
An added benefit of a stabile arrow launch is that you don't need a helical fletch on the arrow to correct the arrow after its been shot.
The bottom line is that the whisker biscuit is just as accurate or better than any other rest available.
Good luck hunting! >>>------------>
Bows that have been set at an even tiller will tend to shoot a level arrow from the 90degree position on the bowstring. A level approach to the biscuit will provides very little friction from the arrow and no speed loss as a result.
Any tiller/nocking point combination that increases the profile of the arrow and fletching to the biscuit will increase the amount of speed loss and there will also be a noticable increase in the amount of noise the bow makes at the shot.
High nocking points and unbalanced tiller combinations that were needed for other styles of rests are not neccessary with the biscuit.
An added benefit of a stabile arrow launch is that you don't need a helical fletch on the arrow to correct the arrow after its been shot.
The bottom line is that the whisker biscuit is just as accurate or better than any other rest available.
Good luck hunting! >>>------------>


