Hey Bawana I didn't speel epitome correctly did you catch that?

or spell, did you get that one?

Without asking permission , I agree.

After asking and being denied permission , then I follow my personal ethics regarding the animal. You might not consider that part of hunting ethics , but I do.

First of all there would have to be a monster buck for me to spend my time hunting in an area where, if you did shoot a trophy, you may not be able to claim the animal. My choice would be to hunt a long distance from the posted land. This will keep both the hunter and the land owner honest.

Totally agree! I expect the same on my land. But from your earlier post I got the impression that even when asked for permission , you said "NNNNNNOOOOOOOO"

right here if you forgot....
I believe this thread started because someone DID ASK PERMISSION to retrieve a deer , and was denied. Then and only then , did others step forward and say they would tresspass to retrieve a deer if the landowner was a dickhead.

Are you one of those dickheads?

I consider breaking the law/trespassing to get your deer to be unethical. Your personal ethics seem to be, o.k.I'll ask permission to get my deer but if I'm told no I'll just go ahead break the law and get it anyway. Doesn't seem very etthical to me. You are willing to follow the law as long as it doesn't stop you from getting your deer. Why bother to ask in the first place? My oh my... whith those ethics what other laws would you break in order to get a deer? If you see a nice buck going on to private land andyou ask permission to hunt there knowing the land owner doesn't hunt and he says no do you go ahead and do it anyway? Why not, he's just being an a$$. Why bother to ask in the first place? Why not ask him for a couple of dollars for gas too and just take it if he says no.

I'm not even gonna bother to go there.
If you dont understand where I'm coming from in regards to a wounded/dead animaljust laying there going to waste , or suffering ,because of me (my arrow), and some property owner who has no regardwhatsoever for the animals life , then we have different ethics.

Good luck hunting this year!

I understand exactly where you're coming from. I simply disagree with you. I agree that the property owner is being an ******* but like it or not it's clearly his right to deny access to his property and he doesn't owe anybody an explination. The situation is that the landowner has made the decision to let the deer spoil on his land rather than allow someone access to retrieve it. Your ethical question (because legally you have no options) is do I accept his decision or do I reason that it is a bigger sin ethically to let the meat spoil than it is to violate the landowners rights and go get the deer anyway. Now if it was a child drowning in his pond without question the drowning child trumps trespassing but does spoiling meat trump landowner rights? Not for me. To me it is very important to respectand protect private property rights. Far more important than protecting meat from spoiling.

Good luck hunting this year as well!

Well I let this go all night. Sounds like laws are for those who chose to obay them.

Boon I said fourty yards .
Dwd You proved neither of us can spell .

Never in my post did I ever say I would not let anyone retrieve their deer.But I was called a "jackass landowner","moron" ,"*******","dickhead"& a "jerk ."

These are some of the nicest things that have ever been said about me,Thank You.

My land is located in north west PA,I live in an area where most people want to shoot their deer and be at the bar by noon.I live to hunt and I will protect my land form these morons any way I can.My neighbors watch my land as well as I watch theirs.My problem is Clear Lake lumber CO.they let any one hunt.Morons included.
To you line rats don't be suprised when you are not meet with open arms.

I hunt on public land and usually hunt close to private property 30-40 yards from the line and before the season starts I try to make it over and talk to the owner, after a few minutes of getting to know me he had no problem letting me on his land if the situation ever arose as long as I let him know before I entered his property. All the other hunters told me this guy was a jerk and a few other choice names and he wouldn't let them on his land. I think alot of times if we will aproach thing s before they happen and just let them know where we are setup and it's not on their land it goes along way with them and if he said "no" I'm going in after dark and getting my deer!