Here I go, like it or not. I said clearly before and I'll say it again, the fact that it became a Texas bashing debacle was unfortunate and the fact that it got personal was also unfortunate. But, I need to ask why you think that ethics and morals are such a n o-no! It is obvious that not all things legal are ethical. It is obvious that what some consider ethical, others disagree with and will use every inch that a legality allows them. That does not change the problem that exists when the 2 collide. But, the way to handle the problem is not by avoiding it, or by bowing to political correctness and pretending that all points of view are equal. There is such a thing as absolutes ,and there are established mores and norms that , no matter what your opinion is, cannot be changed. There is a difference in fact and fiction, right and wrong, true and false.Ones opinion may or may not be consistent with the facts, the truth. The truth is where we all need to get to, and it alone can dictate and should be deferred to , over and above all opinions. I would like to ask how you would suggest accomplishing this without including ethics and morals? To do so leaves nothing but conjecture and , again, opinion. All have opinions, but not all adhere to truth. So good luck with trying to resolve this or any other matter by trying to skirt around the only thingthat really matters. This is not intended as being inflammatory, but to raise an honest objection to the point you raised.

Simply because every time the two are brought into any debate, things turn ugly fast. The person that usally introduces the two into a debate generally thinks lowly of somebody else for something they have done or simply believes differently, or hunts differently.., why heck I'm have moral fiber than you or heck you lack hunting ethics because of the way you hunt, once again it gets ugly, nothing good ever comes out of it. All it does it make thing s extremely personal and is a direct attack on that person or all of the hunter of a particular state... when you bring ethics and morals into a topic you might as well start a fist fight...

As to your stament about all things legal are not ethical, once again thats your sole opinion, lets keep this about hunting please... As far as the difference between state laws in the United states are concerned every state has there own laws and rules to follow concerning legal hunting. If a hunter is born and raised into it, it is therefor perfectly moral to hnut by the laws that govern his hunting privledges, who are you to tell that man he is Un-ethical and lacking morals???? Once again it boils down to ones self imposed opnions.

Now lets look at this from Justins point of veiw and reasons for deleteing inflamotory posts....(I'm not speaking for Justin)

1. This is a public website that is owned by somebody that trusts Justin enough to give him the power to help protect the over-all well being of the site..

Sites like this one are made by people like you and me that come here to have discussions and share our hunting adventures or to help others learn about different techniques. As soon as ethics or morality is brought into the picture, people get mad and leave for a while or in the worst case people are just lurking and say to themselves , hell I want nothing to do with this website, that alone is reason to delete posts that are harmful to the sites well being.. and when it gets to be a problem and continuse to happen over time it will have detrimental results on us as members of theis site, and the people who view it from the outside looking in..

For example, I am a member of another very well known website in my region, the crap that goes on here from time to time is not tolerated on that forumn, It is a hunting forumn, No POLITICS, NO RELIGION, NO ETHICS, MORAL issues will be tolerated, it is a very family freindly environment and more or less one big family.. We even have a big gathering each year in March , where several hundred website members gather for cooking and archery fun......

I was referringto hunting. Hunting does involve ethics and there are morals that govern hunting. Are any laws out there, in any regard void of some basis other than opinion? I have not and am not calling anyone unethical, only saying that anyone's behavior, whether hunting oroperating a businesshas to have a basis beyond mere opinion. There are 6.5 billion people on the face of the earth, and allhave opinions. Doesn't that tell you there needs to be some sort of standard? Once these standards are established, hopefully on something a little more substantial than opinion, then all must adjust and recognize these standards and these principles will apply to every area of life, hunting included. There is no separation point where opinion is going to take precedence over fact.You have lines that you will draw and not allow them to be crossed, as does everyone. The difference is what these are based on. If hunting or anything else is to be soley based on opinion, I vote that all properties containing large whitetails should be reserved for people 6' tall and weighing 200 pounds. That would be real convenient for me, because that fits me perfectly!That's my opinion, so it must be okay. Of course that's ridiculous, but I think you see where I'm going. It has nothing to do with religion as you seem to think. It has everything to do with truth and fact. Opinions are self convenient and biased. Truth is nondiscriminatory, and applies to all, whether you are willing to accept it or not.

Do you know how many thousands of posts I have made ? Maybe upwards to 25,000 in the past 6 years. I'm one of the original crew. I think I have some experience in saying that you get nowhere and nothing from an internet message board without challenge, original thought, arguments and debates and discussions on morality and ethics ...... and if you cannt do all the above without getting frustrated then you do not know what you really believe. You think you do - but to try and prove it in type ? Difficult. Trust me, I know.

My point is ........ take away those things and message board grows stagnant. Toss on top of THAT Mod's banning members, and members who've been aroud a very long time, and all of a sudden word is out that Hunting.net is a damn crying mess that accepts Canned Hunt sponsors and edits and deletes anyone who questions why that is.

If Hunting.net is so free to regulate who comes here ....... why aren't they free then to NOT take Canned Hunting sponsors ? The very Canned Hunting that 80% of the members here showed hate and want to see banned ?

Tough question ......... and you'll be hard to find the answer without talking about ethics and morals and having heated discussions about it

[quote]ORIGINAL: Espresso Feral Cat

Where is the poll?

very well said. like our high school coachn used to say. it takes more than a quarterback to win the game.only this game has alot higher stakes,he's right guys,we need to band together to preserve the right to hunt. not only for ourselves but for our children and grandchildren.my eleven year old daughter loves to hunt,i could only imagine how it would break her heart if the right to do something sahe loved to do was taken away from her.so it's time to piss or get off the pot..either you support it all the way or not at all. and in this fight against the activists and the anti-hunting crowd we either win or lose,there is no middle ground. think about that the next time you want to throw cheap shots over who is roght or wrong.

muddogg Banding together for the sake of it is useless. Banding together for the better good of our sport I'm 100% behind - Justin is not and neither is Hunting.Net as long as they have canned hutning sponsors IMO

The poll was yanked Champlain Islanderbecause clearly the vast majority of people visiting this site despises canned hunting, which is consistant with the Hunting community I know.

What all those that come here do not realize is that Hunting.net has Canned Hunt money funding it.

All right just for the record. Hunting over bait. My opinion, If its legal and floats your boat go for it.

Canned hunts, If it's legal where your are at, if it floats your boat , go for it.
I'm not oppesed to any type of legal hunting with any type of legal weapon.

Hunting with dogs, if it's legal and floats your boat go for it. I have done this, I like to listen to the dogs open and give chase, I enjoy the socializeing that happens with this style of hunting. If you condem this style of hunting, shame shame on you.

oh and least we not forget, mechanical broadheads, I like em and I use em.

there ya go....

Blast away...

It sounds like gay marrage & smoking dope, maybe even marring your cousinwhere legal would be alright by you.Or are your thoughts on hunting the only opinions you don't have?

legit question

Which of these sponsors are the ones that promote/sell canned hunts?

I've been away for awhile, and the boards got a complete makeover...now I see all the sponsors over on the right hand side..curious as to which ones are the "offenders"

thx