Guys - it's a real shame when a lot of really great topics in here degrade into personal attacks and insults and have to be moved and/or locked. We're all hunters and we're all on the same team. I can't for the life of me figure out why we spend so much time fighting amongst ourselves for such stupid reasons when there are organizations out there who are working day and night to elminate our sport. They don't care what type of clothing we wear, what type of weapon we hunt with, or whether or not we hunt over a bait pile or inside of a 10,000 acre high fenced ranch in Texas. In their eyes we are all hunters and we are all wrong, not matter what the specifics of our hunting methods are.

We really need to stop with the elitist, self-righteous attitudes amongst ourselves and start working together if we want to try and preserve hunting - in any form - for future generations.

/steps down from soapbox now.

Well said Justin.

Well said Justin, HERE HERE! The majority of the name callers and those who like to highjack threads and turn them into something personal are usually just miserable in their daily lives to begin with. They don't have the means to travel too some of the prime "exotic" big game regions of the world, nor do they have the money (or they simply listen too their wives tell them NO) for first class equipment so they have to make their own miserable little lives seem valid by running down those who, by the grace of God, DO have such ways and means. My kids have friends that are just such the types. When "lil Johnny" comes over and sees one of my kids new XYZ toy that is better than his (or really he wants one but doesn't have one because he doesn't deserve it to begin with!) he starts the name calling, putting down and flatout acts like a lil brat. Unfortunetely many adults never mature above such pre-pubescent levels.

Simple childish jealousy and I agree, we would ALL be much better off without it and standing united against the anti's,
RA

Well said Justin and I have to agree with you on this matter ,I also agree with Red Allison as well.Inmaturaty is the sum of all eveil's and some just can't help themselve's .I've seen this in the past ,but I must say it's been cleaned up some as well.But we all need to remember we're supposed to all be friend's ,but you'll alway's find one in the crowd.

nubo

I find hunters in general to be narrow minded when it comes to hunting norms and mores. In other words if the method being discussed isn't the method that they were brought up with, an arguement usually follows. As you travel to different parts of the country you will find different methods used to hunt in that area, which can even be against the law where you are from.
Hunters need to expand their though process before they condem one method over another. We are or own worast enemey that is for certain, and we will more than likely screw around and lose our hunting rights altogetherbefore too long. makes me sad, very sad. [][X(][]

Red, while I partially agree with what you're saying I think that this isn't always the case. There are many different scenarios that would cause a person to feel a particular way about hunting. Whether it was the way they were taught about the sport, their experiences both afield and with other hunters in the past, interaction with their friends/family, etc etc.

I believe a lot of the time the elitist attitude comes from those people who have and can afford the best gear, the best pieces of property, and can go on those world class hunts. Now I'm certainly not stereotyping any particular individual or groups of individuals because the bickering comes from all types of hunters.

No matter where you hunt, what you hunt with, how many deer you shoot, how much you believe in QDMA, or how long you've been hunting people need to learn to be more open minded when it comes to the methods other hunters use to persue game and realize that we're all in the woods for the same reason.

You seem to be contradicting yourself there Red. You missed the point of what Justin said by proceeding to judge all those that disagree as having a jealousy problem, and that sounds a lot like self righteous name calling to me! I am not some pauper with no options, yet I choose not to endorse certain methods or to practice them, and it has absolutely nothing to do with oppurtunity or affordability. I applaud those with greater means than myself or greater oppurtunity. My issue has been and always will be fair chase. A consensus needs to be reached on this and it will be up to us as hunters to determine and to maintain a level of integrity and to keep other negative elements such as greed and pride out of the equation.The concern over the future of hunting lies with the perception of the nonhunter, who is in the vast majority over the hunter and anti alike.There are those of us who care about this perception and I attempt to speak out on this , keeping in mind that the fellow next to me may not a gree, but at some point, all of us have to be on the same page, without starting a feud. That is the kind of maturity that needs to be reached, and therecognition that disagreements exist will not go away on their own. They need to be handled without resorting to childish name calling and threats.

Well said Justin!! There are alot of thing s that people do when it comes to hunting that I don't agree with but if it is legal likeit of not why shouldI attackand judge them. I just try to find common ground with that hunter and enjoy talking with them, although I may never hunt with them, we are on the same team!

Here in PA we have a program called SPORT, this stands for Sportsmen Policing Our Ranks Togather. This program points out ways hunters can make a differance in how people veiw ourselves.If we are hunting and find where a "slob hunter" that is what the P.G.C. calls them is baiting we are to make a call and report the site.If we see someone shoot from a car we are to record the licence # make,model & what the occupants look like & report them.Some of you take offense to people that don't believe the killing of a deer by any means allowed is wrong .All of us are differant in one way or another ,some peoples business practices would embarrass even the Ken Lay others say take the money and run.If you can show your deer to a stranger and be honest & proud of the way you killed it great for you.I will do the same in the honorable way I was taught to hunt.

I agree with each and everyone of you with whats being sead.These type people?There called Arrogant, Selfish, Disrespectful, JURKS!!![:'(]