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Old 07-15-2008, 01:56 PM
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During my lunch break I stopped in to our local Sportsmans Warehouse to see if they had any of the new Hornady FPB conicals, they didn't even have a space for it. I did notice they had a couple of boxes of the 200SST 40cal with 45cal sabots, 20 rounds for $12.99, much cheaper than the 200 SW at 15 for $17 (they didn't have any of those either). Now I don't have a 45cal gun but I do have some 50/45 sabots. This got me to thinking, PR bullets has a duplex load that uses 2 sabots, one inside the other, to load a 357 bullet into a 50cal barrel. So I thought, why couldn't I do the same thing with the 40cal SST's? I went ahead and bought a box to try it out.

Someof the questions I have are, do I need to trim the cup off of the 45 sabot before inserting it into the 50 sabot? How does PR do theirs? Has anyone shot the PR load? How did they work? AM I CRAZY?

OK, don't answer the last one.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:26 PM
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I used to shoot the PR duplexes extensively, and fount them to be every bit as accurate as a single sabot in the right gun.

It appears they actually invested in (either themselves or through a sabot vendor) molding the sabots with no gas seal. They are not trimmed off, they were never on the inner sabot to begin with.

If you trip carefully, you may be able to do it well enough by hand that accuracy won't be terribly affected. I think I would try trimming them before I tried firing them with the inner gas skirt intact.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:26 PM
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Take a reading on them projectiles.. all you might need are some of the blue 10mm MMP sabots, and just change out sabots.

As for your questions.. I do not know if you can duplex a sabot like that.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:29 PM
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I have shot the duplex dead centers last year . Worked good – soft lead 175 gr bullet fragments but kills deer. I think your problem will be the sabots are concave and won’t fit together well. The PR bullet inside sabot has a flat base.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:36 PM
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Yep, you're crazy. I've shot the duplex PR load before and it performed pretty well out of my Knight. I'm not sure if you can duplicate it like you're thinking about though. It might be worth a try.

Take a reading on them projectiles.. all you might need are some of the blue 10mm MMP sabots, and just change out sabots.

As for your questions.. I do not know if you can duplex a sabot like that.

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The blue 50/40 sabots from MMP popped into my head as well.
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:02 PM
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I seem to recall reading about this somewhere. The results were a waste of powder and bullet. Just call MMP and get some 40/50 blue sabots. The work well for most shooters.

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Old 07-15-2008, 03:20 PM
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I know I can buy the blue sabots and make them work, I'm not that crazy and niether am I. I was just trying to avoid buying something else (Cayugad syndrome) and adding to the weight of my already 40+ pound bullet bag, not to mention the other 2 bags and thestack of boxson my loading bench and the bulk lead for casting.... I've been doing too muchloadtesting, no wait, thatIS crazy thinking, there is never too muchload testing.

I think I can do a pseudo lathe thing with my drill press and remove and reshape the supplied sabots to make them work. If not oh well, I wasn't going to use them anyway so no big loss. I'll have to try them on my next range session.
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:16 PM
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[quote]ORIGINAL: dmurphy317

During my lunch break I stopped in to our local Sportsmans Warehouse to see if they had any of the new Hornady FPB conicals, they didn't even have a space for it. I did notice they had a couple of boxes of the 200SST 40cal with 45cal sabots, 20 rounds for $12.99, much cheaper than the 200 SW at 15 for $17 (they didn't have any of those either). Now I don't have a 45cal gun but I do have some 50/45 sabots. This got me to thinking, PR bullets has a duplex load that uses 2 sabots, one inside the other, to load a 357 bullet into a 50cal barrel. So I thought, why couldn't I do the same thing with the 40cal SST's? I went ahead and bought a box to try it out.

Someof the questions I have are, do I need to trim the cup off of the 45 sabot before inserting it into the 50 sabot? How does PR do theirs? Has anyone shot the PR load? How did they work? AM I CRAZY?

OK, don't answer the last one.

Ipicked up some FPB conicals at a walmart in Memphis while we were on a trip I wish I taken all they had now. Cant find any around here they have to pipe sunlight in here.
The onlyoccasion I know of where some one made double sabots work other than the commercial ones you know about the guy had a computerize lathe and made the inside one. Lee
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Old 07-15-2008, 05:15 PM
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In looking at the supplied sabots I think I could use either an X (.397) or Y (.404) drill to punch a hole through the base of the sabot that is roughly the size of the bullet, using the angled part of the cup to center the drill bit. Then trim the length to about where the base of the bullet sits leaving just enough of the base to hold the petals together. Then use the bottomless sabot as a spacer in the larger sabot with the bullet base against the larger sabot. Kind of like a paper patched saboted bullet, only no paper. Maybe I am crazy and just don't know it.
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Old 07-15-2008, 05:56 PM
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Well dmurph, like many things I do, that's just plain sillyand no sane person would even bother. Sure sounds interesting and fun. I tried cloth patching my .410 Gold Dots in the .45 Renegade and they didn't even hit the 8 1/2 x 11" target at 20 yards. I've decided the patches were not gripping the sides of that jacketed bullet. So I've got a half dozen that I rolled on a file to knurl the surface to see if the patch will grip them. Wish we could shoot together for a "crazy ass" range session.
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