Please flounder, get serious. There's nothing a "high octane" beer can do that good old regular larger can't do as well - probably better. Even a "lite" is just fine for playing around (although I've never thught that "ultra" stuff was worth using).

Spaniel...we are in complete agreement. As for cleaning the guns, I like the fact that the breech plug NEVER has to be removed, a minor convenience, I know, but it kind of indicates how clean the combustion is. That was something I really disliked about my other MLs. I know lots of people actually enjoy cleaning their guns, and thats great, but its a pain in the butt for me, especially because I'm not happy unless it is really clean. Its funny, though, because I will tinker with my bows for hours on end. Anyway, glad we are on the same page now. I had never been in a forum before, just used computers for work, so our disagreement was bothering me. Are you living in Mi.? I couldn't tell if you left Mi. or the guy you were going to shoot with left the state. Let me know. Maybe we can shoot in warm weather.....I'm a fair weather shooter. Now hunting, thats a different matter! Donn

I think people seem to forget about the world record shot by Billy Dixon that waswell over a 1000 yards and knocked a indian off his horse and killed him with a BPCR ('74 Sharps I believe.) But those guys were shooting metalic cartridges and the ballistics were much better.

Now when I think of muzzle stuffers, believe me I am not thinking of 300 or more yard shots. Just the thought of all that powder and "RECOIL" ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!

can I throw in a bottle of whiskey

I left MI about a year ago... I'm in Indiana now with a 400yd range out my back door. Quite a trade-off from my .02 acre yard in MI. Shot high power just today, MLs get the fingers colder faster.

Regular beer, "ultra" beer, it shouldn't matter. Each has their advantages. We are all beer drinkers and should stick together. It's those non-beer drinkers we should rally against, not each other... ;D

Dang right, spaniel. Well said.

Our deer season ended the last of Dec. Today I went out to try to call in a coyote, but all I saw was about 50 hungry turkeys and a solitary deer about 500 yards away. I had to unload my gun for the winter so I plugged the old hickory tree at about 275 yards. How do you gut a hickory tree?

Rafsob...when I first got my gun, I made the mistake of taking about 30 shots with it shooting 200 grains. I was bruised and even got bit by my scope, which my buddies enjoyed way too much! My students figured I got in a bar brawl.
Now I use moderation and the recoil is bearable. I tried a lead sled, but don't really care for it.

Spaniel, any deer in your neck of the woods?

Well, that's relative considering I grew up in mid-Michigan where the past few years I hunted less than a weekend and got 5 deer.....we call them "corn rats".

Right where I live, there are not many deer. VERY open, few woodlots. I'm modifying my acreage and hope to draw some in. I own a former elk farm with 8ft fences encircling, so I cut some areas down to 4ft to keep the coyotes out but let deer in and I hope to have some by next year. Coyotes are terrible here. Where I hunt further south in the state, there are plenty of deer. The guy in a treestand who witnessed my 338yd shot reported that he saw over 80 deer opening morning from his vantage point.

MAN, what a long thread. I never saw an answer to your question so I'll give it a shot. Are you shooting .40 .45 or .50? I assumed .50 from the 300 sst, though I suppose you could go sabotless in a 45. The barnes original is the highest bc(290) 300g bullet I've found for use inmy.50 savage ml. Launched at 2300 fps with 60g n120 and a 3.5@100, 0@200, and -18@300, The performance of this thing is amazing, it doesnt blow to pieces like a sst at high velocity. Its a .458" bullet, not a .452" like the sst, xtp, or sw. Nothin even close to it for bucking wind and carrying energy out there. Past 250 yds you better have your rangefinder, but for me a 375yd shot is very doable.