Spaniel...we are in complete agreement. As for cleaning the guns, I like the fact that the breech plug NEVER has to be removed, a minor convenience, I know, but it kind of indicates how clean the combustion is. That was something I really disliked about my other MLs. I know lots of people actually enjoy cleaning their guns, and thats great, but its a pain in the butt for me, especially because I'm not happy unless it is really clean. Its funny, though, because I will tinker with my bows for hours on end. Anyway, glad we are on the same page now. I had never been in a forum before, just used computers for work, so our disagreement was bothering me. Are you living in Mi.? I couldn't tell if you left Mi. or the guy you were going to shoot with left the state. Let me know. Maybe we can shoot in warm weather.....I'm a fair weather shooter. Now hunting, thats a different matter! Donn