well me and dad took our muzzleloaders out today to test them for the fall at a bubbies house,,i would like to say now i absolutly LOVE my muzzleloader,even though it is only second time shooting it,,my question is this,,When me and my dad cleaned are guns he just use bore butter on the breech plug,,as did i,,is it okay to do this or should we have use anit siege to keep the plugs from sieging during shooting,,, have a nother question as well,, when i started to take the breech plug out of the gun to clean it,,it was stuck pretty good,,we did end up breaking it loose,,is this something i should worry about or is it the type of gun and breech plug im useing,,CVA Elcipse magnum .50cal #209 primer tripple7 power,100grn. 240grn sabot

A couple of things to remember about breach plugs:

Always use some sort of quailty lube made for threaded applications, I use antiseize and love it.

Never over tighten your breach plug, finger tight is plenty. If you tighten much over this it will probably stick and could overstress the threads.

Some shooters will loosen and re-snug it every 10 or so shots if it is prone to sticking. I have not had that problem since I started using antiseize.Evenafter shooting dozens of rounds I can usually remove the plug with slightly more than finger pressure.

I hope you enjoy this bug you've caught, I know I do.

In the old days yes I would use lube on nipples and plugs but it does not work that great. Gorilla grease or CVA slick nipple is much better. When you do get a stuck plug using black powder Pyrodex or T7 pour a little water down the bore wait 5 min or so and it should come out easy.

Bore butter isall I use on nipples and touch hole liners after cleaning and it works fine for that.

However, I always used Birchwood Casey's 'choke tubelube" on the breech plugs in my MK-85...a lube with crushed aluminum particles suspended in it which give added strength.

Since an inline is not vented like a traditional caplock or flintlock, and the powder charges aresometimes heavier, there's surely greater pressure in the breech area, and I always felt my 'choke tube lube'gave a strong, safe seal compared tothe relatively soft thinborebutter...and the breech plug always unscrewed easily.

A quick check of your rifle'smanufacturers manualmight ultimatelybe the best place to look.

Hello PSEsilverhawk55. I use a lube that is a knock off of Super Lube. I get it at Radio Shack The Radio Shack number is 64-2326 and it is called Multi-Purpose Lube Gel. They should carry it in the store. I have used it on my CVA Kodiak .50 for over a year now and never had a problem. It has teflon and is good from -45°F. to +450°F. Not bad. I use it on all my blackpowder guns. Even the nipple screws and bolster screws of my traditional rifles and never have any problems. It's really affordable. 3oz. for $3.19. Hope this helps.

Just my opinion mind you... Bore Butter makes a great conical lube. It even makes a good patched roundball lube (although I think there are better ones). As for anything else, I have no use for Bore Butter. As a breech plug lube, NO! That is the reason you had the plug sieze. Get a quality breech plug grease, or use one of the many tapes out there, but use the bore butter for what it was intended for. The best breech plug grease I have found is CVA Slick Breech Plug and Nipple Grease. The stuff really works.

I have a CVA Staghorn Magnum which is very similar in design to your Eclipse. Of all my inline rifles, this is the one rifle that has never given me any problems with a stuck breech plug. Another thing you can do, finger tighten the breech plug only, then back it off just a little. It will tighten itself us as you shoot. Also while on the range I take a small screwdriver, put it in the breech plug wrench slot and just twist that breech plug back and fourth every 10 shot to make sure the plug is not freezing up. That is a great shooting rifle you have there. Use the right grease for the job and you will have no problem.

Always use some sort of quailty lube made for threaded applications, PARTICULARLY IF YOU ARE USING 777 POWDER!!

Speaking from experience, it's extremely important to grease both the breech plug and the threads in your barrel. Otherwise, good chance you'll get your breech stuck...this is bad. I wouldn't use the bore butter as the greasing agent for your breech.

cayugad,,
that is not the reason the plug seige,,cause it was not on there before,,actully it did a good job we took guns out sunday evening again and shot them to finish sighing them in,,i had to take plug out to bore sight the gun in again and it came out very easily,,that was after prolly a dozen or so shots,,

thanks for your input yall much appriciated,,as for the sport of muzzleloading,,its fun till u got to clean em,,then it a chore,,but the shooting does make up for it,

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You are obviously not using magnum 777 powder loads -- otherwise that plug would of been stuck-solid. I'll guess you are using Pyrodex, APP or Black Mag-3.

If you ever switch to 777, be sure to follow Cayugad's advice about the CVA Breechplug & Nipple Grease.... then crack the plug loose & re-tighten after firing every 8-10 times.