270 and 30.06 popular in alaska...
06-11-2004 | 11:11 PM
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RE: 30.06 IS KING..110 TO 220 GRAIN..ENOUGH SAID
Glock,
Just to help me out with a frame of reference so I might understand any possible bias factors....
Is the 30-06 (nice round BTW) the largest stick (rifle wise) in your closet?
OR
Do you have a range of rifles chambered in cartridges from small to large and having experienced the whole group have simply settled on the 30-06 as your favorite"?
Thanks,
EKM
Just to help me out with a frame of reference so I might understand any possible bias factors....
Is the 30-06 (nice round BTW) the largest stick (rifle wise) in your closet?
OR
Do you have a range of rifles chambered in cartridges from small to large and having experienced the whole group have simply settled on the 30-06 as your favorite"?
Thanks,
EKM
06-12-2004 | 12:05 AM
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: 30.06 IS KING..110 TO 220 GRAIN..ENOUGH SAID
hey kamp.. i currently own a russian saiga in 7.62x39 , a nagant m38 in 7.62x54r and a
m1903 in 30.06..for hunting as for the rifles that i have owned.. 2 ruger 7 mags , a remington .243 ,a .300 winchester mag , a .300 weatherby mag ,3 savage 30.06's , a ruger .223 , a romanian sar-1 , savage .270,
winchester 30-30, so i have experienced the gammet of calibers... as for my vote ... a 30.06 is the best all around...if you hand load you can go from 100 grain hornady
short jackets(2004 hornady catalog) to 220 grain rn pro hunters (2004 sierra catalog) if dont hand load you can go down to 55 grain remington accelerators[8D]
(remington catalog) all the way up to 220 grain round nose factory loads.....
DO TO THE FACT THAT I HAVE A 30.06 IN MY CLOSET I NEED NOT ANOTHER HUNTING RIFLE.......THE 55 GRAIN TO 220 GRAIN COVERS ALL OF GODS ANIMALS...!! PREFERABLY
NEXT TO THE MASH POTATOES...lmfao..[:'(]
m1903 in 30.06..for hunting as for the rifles that i have owned.. 2 ruger 7 mags , a remington .243 ,a .300 winchester mag , a .300 weatherby mag ,3 savage 30.06's , a ruger .223 , a romanian sar-1 , savage .270,
winchester 30-30, so i have experienced the gammet of calibers... as for my vote ... a 30.06 is the best all around...if you hand load you can go from 100 grain hornady
short jackets(2004 hornady catalog) to 220 grain rn pro hunters (2004 sierra catalog) if dont hand load you can go down to 55 grain remington accelerators[8D]
(remington catalog) all the way up to 220 grain round nose factory loads.....
DO TO THE FACT THAT I HAVE A 30.06 IN MY CLOSET I NEED NOT ANOTHER HUNTING RIFLE.......THE 55 GRAIN TO 220 GRAIN COVERS ALL OF GODS ANIMALS...!! PREFERABLY
NEXT TO THE MASH POTATOES...lmfao..[:'(]
07-01-2004 | 03:09 PM
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RE: : 30.06 IS KING..110 TO 220 GRAIN..ENOUGH SAID
I like to use 'other calibers' just to prove that everything does not revolve around the 30-06. Great chambering it may be, but it is not the most versatile. If you read your history you will find out that the 30-06 was designed after the 7X57 and more or less enlarged a bit in all deminsions to suit the designers desires and needs within the DOD in the USA. I'm not saying the '06 is a bad cartridge but most people who sing its praises on versatility use only one or two of the available bullet weights out there. In my opinion it is too large of caliber for shooting varmits and too small of caliber for the nasty stuff.
07-01-2004 | 04:16 PM
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RE: : 30.06 IS KING..110 TO 220 GRAIN..ENOUGH SAID
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hey kamp.. i currently own a russian saiga in 7.62x39 , a nagant m38 in 7.62x54r and a
m1903 in 30.06..for hunting as for the rifles that i have owned.. 2 ruger 7 mags , a remington .243 ,a .300 winchester mag , a .300 weatherby mag ,3 savage 30.06's , a ruger .223 , a romanian sar-1 , savage .270,
winchester 30-30, so i have experienced the gammet of calibers... as for my vote ... a 30.06 is the best all around...if you hand load you can go from 100 grain hornady
short jackets(2004 hornady catalog) to 220 grain rn pro hunters (2004 sierra catalog) if dont hand load you can go down to 55 grain remington accelerators[8D]
(remington catalog) all the way up to 220 grain round nose factory loads.....
DO TO THE FACT THAT I HAVE A 30.06 IN MY CLOSET I NEED NOT ANOTHER HUNTING RIFLE.......THE 55 GRAIN TO 220 GRAIN COVERS ALL OF GODS ANIMALS...!! PREFERABLY
NEXT TO THE MASH POTATOES...lmfao..[:'(]
hey kamp.. i currently own a russian saiga in 7.62x39 , a nagant m38 in 7.62x54r and a
m1903 in 30.06..for hunting as for the rifles that i have owned.. 2 ruger 7 mags , a remington .243 ,a .300 winchester mag , a .300 weatherby mag ,3 savage 30.06's , a ruger .223 , a romanian sar-1 , savage .270,
winchester 30-30, so i have experienced the gammet of calibers... as for my vote ... a 30.06 is the best all around...if you hand load you can go from 100 grain hornady
short jackets(2004 hornady catalog) to 220 grain rn pro hunters (2004 sierra catalog) if dont hand load you can go down to 55 grain remington accelerators[8D]
(remington catalog) all the way up to 220 grain round nose factory loads.....
DO TO THE FACT THAT I HAVE A 30.06 IN MY CLOSET I NEED NOT ANOTHER HUNTING RIFLE.......THE 55 GRAIN TO 220 GRAIN COVERS ALL OF GODS ANIMALS...!! PREFERABLY
NEXT TO THE MASH POTATOES...lmfao..[:'(]
The caliber only matters to a certain extent. I could make the same claim about my .280. It's by far the most accurate gun I've ever hunted with. But that doesn't mean it will be for the next guy. And I still don't use it for elk. I want the elk to go down on the spot I hit it, not running down into some hell hole. I have a moose on video that had to be shot 4 times with .270 in the vitals before it even acted like it was hurt.
Being confident with the biggest caliber possible is the key. There is no "best" cartridge. I could load 100 gr to 220 in my .300 if I want. Whoopeee! Does that make the cartridge better? No.
.30-06 are versitile yes, but no more so than any other cartridge, they are just much more popular so there are more trinkets available for them. They are popular because they were a military cartridge..much like the .223.
07-06-2004 | 07:39 PM
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RE: : 30.06 IS KING..110 TO 220 GRAIN..ENOUGH SAID
The 06 is more versatile than most cartridges but not THE most versatile in my opinion.Brutal was on the right track, for versatility the 300win,RUM,or weatherby are better, same bullet selection, but more room to vari powder charges. I personally like the 300Win. Mag. I started out w/ a 243-6mm-250savage-25.06-270-7mm08-7mmrem-30.06-300win. They were all alright calibers for certain uses, but in the end that 300 lays em out like nothing else(includeing the.06). My son is just starting hunting and I'm not gonna make him shoot that 300. My brother stopped at the 7mm rem. He can start out useing a 6mm on deer and work his way up. For dangerous game bigger is better up to your limits in recoil. If the .06 was indeed the cure all we wouldnt have all these others, we wouldnt have needed them.
07-06-2004 | 07:45 PM
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almost forgot... I really wouldn't take the 270 for big game. Its great for deer, maybe the best out there, but it's also; in a professional guide of @25yrs words "the elk woundinest sum bitch ever made." I think its because it does great on deer compared to 243, 257,ect that it gives people false confidence on elk and they dont pass on shots they should have. Just my opinion.
07-06-2004 | 09:58 PM
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RE: : 30.06 IS KING..110 TO 220 GRAIN..ENOUGH SAID
Its great for deer, maybe the best out there, but it's also; in a professional guide of @25yrs words "the elk woundinest sum bitch ever made."
Just because a person has 5000 foot pounds of energy available to them does not mean that they need to go off taking risky shots. If that person can't put a bullet from a .270 where it needs to go then they sure aint gonna be able to do it with a 338 ultra mag and all the energy in the world aint gonna help them one bit. They will still end up tracking a wounded elk over miles of mountains.
I like this quote from Chuck Hawks web site.
Bullet placement is the most important factor in killing power. (Memorize that sentence!) I suspect that is why we hear such divergent views about many of the cartridges commonly used for elk hunting. The .270 Winchester, or any of the Category 2 cartridges, would be examples of this. Some hunters report that the .270 is a nearly ideal elk cartridge. Others consider it adequate, but not ideal. Still others consider the .270 worthless for elk hunting, and recommend nothing less than a .300 Magnum as the absolute minimum elk cartridge.
The truth is that most hunters simply have not shot enough elk, or observed enough elk killed, to be able to draw valid conclusions from their personal experience. It is very instructive to hang around the check out station for a controlled hunt--I have done this. There you can benefit from the experiences of lots of successful (and some not so successful) hunters.
Based on a fair amount of research, I regard the .270 as an adequate elk cartridge. If a hunter puts a decent 150 grain .277" bullet into a vital spot, the result is a dead elk. But the .270 will not bowl over even a relaxed elk. Neither, for that matter, will most other calibers. An elk is a big animal!
A lot of hunters are not particularly good shots, and a great many shooters flinch regularly with high intensity calibers like the .270 Winchester. So they think they placed the shot well, when actually they only wounded the animal. A .270 bullet will not bag an elk if it does not hit in an immediately vital spot. The elk may die later, but by that time it will probably be far away, and most hunters could not track an elk through the forest if their lives depended on it. These hunters are very apt to blame the rifle for their bad shooting.
The result is that guys who can shoot and who put their first bullet into an elk's vitals think the .270 is a perfectly adequate elk cartridge; those who can't and don't think it is lousy. They often conclude that nothing less than a .338 Magnum will stop an elk.
Of course, if you put a bullet in the paunch, a .338 Winchester Magnum probably does have a better chance of slowing down an elk than a .270--but you are not supposed to shoot any animal in the paunch in the first place! And even with a .338 a paunch hit can not be relied on to anchor an elk.
The truth is that most hunters simply have not shot enough elk, or observed enough elk killed, to be able to draw valid conclusions from their personal experience. It is very instructive to hang around the check out station for a controlled hunt--I have done this. There you can benefit from the experiences of lots of successful (and some not so successful) hunters.
Based on a fair amount of research, I regard the .270 as an adequate elk cartridge. If a hunter puts a decent 150 grain .277" bullet into a vital spot, the result is a dead elk. But the .270 will not bowl over even a relaxed elk. Neither, for that matter, will most other calibers. An elk is a big animal!
A lot of hunters are not particularly good shots, and a great many shooters flinch regularly with high intensity calibers like the .270 Winchester. So they think they placed the shot well, when actually they only wounded the animal. A .270 bullet will not bag an elk if it does not hit in an immediately vital spot. The elk may die later, but by that time it will probably be far away, and most hunters could not track an elk through the forest if their lives depended on it. These hunters are very apt to blame the rifle for their bad shooting.
The result is that guys who can shoot and who put their first bullet into an elk's vitals think the .270 is a perfectly adequate elk cartridge; those who can't and don't think it is lousy. They often conclude that nothing less than a .338 Magnum will stop an elk.
Of course, if you put a bullet in the paunch, a .338 Winchester Magnum probably does have a better chance of slowing down an elk than a .270--but you are not supposed to shoot any animal in the paunch in the first place! And even with a .338 a paunch hit can not be relied on to anchor an elk.
07-06-2004 | 11:24 PM
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big bulls-shot placement is most important factor, but I gurantee the 300mags and up will bowl an elk over. They give you error factor that a 270 doesn't give you. for elk a 270 is no better than a243 or 250 savage. If its on the money ...dead elk.... if not see elk run... see elk run over hill.. see elk run down other side....see elk running into trees....ever find elk..????