YEP i saw you said MATURE, thats why i didnt say anything about size because i thaught you may have realized i know how to read, ANYWAY, a 30 pound draw CAN and WILL, like i said, take down a MATURE whitetail, two blade, cut on contact, perfect arrow( not to mention your distance is limited ) and a well placed shot..all these combined and u can and will get penetration into the kill zone
did i say pass through?, nope, did i say DEEP, penetration? NOPE,sure didnt, i said it will get into the vitals.Also you need to do some research i see, minnesota lowered there draw weight limit to 30 pounds THIS year, and there are prob. others that are down to 30 ( im not sure ).

A three year old buck or doe has some well conditioned thick hide that a 30 pound bow will have enough trouble getting through. Then it has to travel through fat, tissue, and muscle, plus go through two lungs. Uh Un I don't think so, not going to happen. There are no places (to my knowledge)that allow 30 poundsfor a hunting draw weight.

To that, i say, i NEVER said it would penetrate both lungs, i said it could get into the kill zone, you can take out one lung and the VAST MAJORITY of the time u will get your deer.


ALL this being said i will say right here, i NEVER said you should hunt with 30 pounds, and i NEVER said it will do the job WELL, i simply said your wrong saying it will not take get into the kill zone of a mature whitetail ( kill one ).

Irest my case [8D]

It is still unethical to go to the feild attempting to shoot a whitetail with a 30 pound bow knowing that you will not be able to make the cleanest shot possible. Have you ever tried to track a single lung hit deer? I have and they can run for miles. All the while they are suffering. Besides the perfect arrow for a 30 pound bow is very weak. With this arrow and broadhead you talk about it will not have enough Kinetic Energy to make a cleanshot.

I never said you didn't know how to read but most people speed read and skip parts. I was just bringing it to your attention. You even said yourself"minnesota lowered there draw weight limit to 30 pounds THIS year, and there are prob." Why would any self respecting ethical hunter use this draw weight when it is a fact that it could be a problem.

True you did say you should never hunt with 30 pounds, "unless thats all you can pull". So you just advised people in states that have weight restrictions to go below the legal graw weight and use 30 pounds because thats allthey can pull. If you can only pull 30 pounds then get a crossbow and wait till your older and stronger to use a compound for hunting. Im not saying that you should give up on the compound all together just weight till you can pull the legal limit.

If 30 pounds is legal in your state and you can live with wounding deer more than cleanly killing themthen go ahaed and use it if thats all you can pull. You were promoting the use of a 30 lb bow even though you claim to say "that you should never use it". You keep contradicting yourself.

Now I rest my case.

Forgive me if im wrong but i never said you should never use 30 pounds? did I? HMMM, I ALSO never promoted the use of a 30 pound bow, maybe YOU cannot read clearly, i stated that you can kill a deer with it, when YOU stated you would wound it, Period. your putting words in my mouth and ideas in my head that just arent there, your wrong, admitt it...I aslo never said anything about breaking the Law and going below 30 pounds either, did I? NOPE.Also i Never said anything about Ethics of it, I simply said 30 pounds will do it. NOW i want to see where i contracdicted myself? HMM no where
No need to rest this case as i rested it before and you typed a bunch of junk to defend yourself[8D]
One more thing, im not trieng to start anything, i just think your wrong, if i thaught i was wrong about it as soon as i realized it I would simply say i was wrong, but i dont feel that I am.

I can read perfectly maybe you should go back and reread your posts. It was you that said "deer can be killed with under 30 pounds of pull". You are not basing your statements on actually facts. Have you killed a deer with under 30 pounds of pull? Maybe you don't understand ethics. You should probably learn them. Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not putting any words into your mouth, I am just picking up what your putting down. You know your wrong and now your just making up this crap so your not renigging on your statements. You left the case wide open then I finished it for you. You simply don't know what your talking about!

LOL, i am not wrong, i understand ethics, and i said this post was not about ethics its about can it be done, and it can, thats what this was all about, PERIOD, Therefor you do not know what your talking about, this all comes down to you wanting to be right, when you are simply not, Why would they have such a think as legal 30 pound draw weight if it couldnt do it.?????????????????I have seen a few complete passthroughs on very large mature deer with 35 pound bows.

I said it before, many times, and i will say it again this is not about ethics ( yes ethics should be used 0 but this is about can it be done. The average Indians bow was about 30 pound draw, and they had stick arrows, with sharp rocks on the end!, their bows were not " tuned " either, that being said do i know of any Native americans that have taken a mature whitetail, nope, but im sure it was done...
One more thing, have YOU ever shot a mature whitetail with a 30 pound bow, lol, so do YOU know what your talking about?

Yes I know what I am talking about. It is hard to understand your posts because you are all over the place and not making much sense but I'll try. It seems you keep coming back to the same thing that if it can be done or not. With the modern technology of compounds there are no reasons that kids should limit them selves to 30 pounds but strive for 40 or 45, why because it is more effective. I don't want younger kids readingyour poststo think that they can use 30 pound bows to hunt deer. I am not wrong on this one. There are lots of laws that are emposed that should not. It has been proven that the energy of 30 pound bows is not enough to be effective on deer. The limbs do not store enough energy to fire the right arrow(which will be very light) to enter the vitals on a deer because it does not posess enough Kinetic Energy. Im guessing you are knew to archery because from what I read you do not know much about bows and how they work. Sure everyone gets lucky,but were those passthroughs throught the vitals or the liver/guts which are much easier to go through, I think they were the latter. You abviuously do not know a lot of Native history also. There bows were not 30 pounds, but were much higher. They used special woods like yew, osage, maple, and walnut to make there bows because they are a much denser wood that resists being compressed/bent. Plus they backed their bows with hide from animals to make them store more energy.They would probably be around the 50 - 60 pound range. Bottom line is kids don't try hunting deer with a 30 pound bow. I know that you will have something to say to this (bloodsaw) but im done arguring with you all I want tis to make sure no one else tries it, for ethics sake.

You are right i am going to come back, you said the penetration that is needed to get into the vitals will not occur on a mature whitetail. thats an incorrect statement, a 30 pound bow can and will penetrate into the vitals of a mature whitetail. As for the Native americans, I COULD in fact be wrong there, As that is what i read somewhere, i will not deny i havent searched into it yet.

Now where did you get the information that it has been proven 30 pounds isnt effective on whitetail?

Also no these passthroughs i saw where Broadside hits behind the shoulder.

I am new to archery in a way, I have shot bows on and off since i was about 6 or 7 years old. I just never got into anything technical about it, i would shoot any kinda of arrows and when i baught arrows i would buy single arrows in a variety of kinds and expect them to shoot the same, because i just didnt know, now for over a year i have been reading and learning more technical stuff.

A person should always use the highest draw weight they can pull comfortably, until you get up in the 50 + then You dont need to start pushing your draw weights farther unless you want to.

Like i said before if i thaught i was wrong i would say it, and I said i could be wrong on teh native american bows, but i did read that somewhere in the past few weeks, dont remember where, but as far as 30 pounds not killing a mature whitetail, i think im right.

And one more thing, i asked have you ever shot a mature whitetail with a 30 pound bow?

No, I have not shot a mature whiteteail with a 30 pound bow, but that is becuase I respect the animal enough not to attempt it. You said I have no prove well where is your prove, you said you saw a 35 not 30 pound bow penetrate. In all of my statementsI HAVE proof to come back with, in yours I see no proof. You make these on what you think, not what you know. Well look you have yourbeliefs, I have mine. It looks like were not going to sway each other to the opposite opinion so, lets leave it at that. But, heres my last statement,young bowhunters,research and make your own descision before you attemp to hunt whitetails with a 30 pound bow. But if you wound an animal you have to live with the guilt and make every attempt to find the wounded animal and finish it's suffering.

ive seen people shooting 75lb draw bows that dont get an exit wound. The Nuge has shows with kids shooting deer with 30-35 lb draw bows that go clean through the deer. Shot placement is most important.

Lol, that makes no sense, your statements are on what you think also, you have no proof of it, therefor its what you THINK. Right?Like you said I have my opinion, you have yours, just like i said it the first post, ( IN MY OPINION ). I think if a 35 pound bow will go straight through a mature deer on good shot placement im 99.9 % sure a 30 pound bow will at least " get into the vitals ".
Not trieng to make anyone mad or start anything here, im telling it like i see it.