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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:15 PM
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Not only don't I shoot them I spend some of my pre tax money on six thousand pounds of corn to which I keep them on my land and very healthy.
If you ever venture from the south stop by and and take a look at what deer country looks like.
I spent some time in Texas ,I did not find it inviting.
Another some thing I did not mention we also have morons with cars & cell phones that fail to heed any warnings and continue to destroy their Toyota's and my deer .
If you really hate does that bad killem all ,many as you can but,you'll not drag me on board your slowly sinking boat.
I still lovem! And the only thing I like better than seeing a doe is seeing them in the spring with two fawns!!!!!!!!!![]
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:17 PM
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How do you feel about stompin chicks?

If yer drunk it can be about as hard as shooting a doe with a sling shot!!!!!!!!!![8D][8D][8D]
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:18 PM
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Here in PA the state is huge and diverse. Our game commission says that if we kill all the does we will have big bucks to replace them.
I can tell you how many you will have if you kill only bucks: 0.

The thing is we have a silly thing called winter here. Right now we have between two & three feet of snow.How many fawns do you think will be born this spring?
If your population is properly managed and at a proper ratio, you will have plenty. With poor population dynamics, your survival rates will decline.

We have battles going on with private land being posted and state land being pounded buy those that have no land of their own.
It is the doe slayers against the rest of us.I see no need to play god and eliminate the whitetail deer from my woods so I don't shoot them.
Shooting does is not done here to eliminate the whitetail deer. Rather, it is done to preserve it.

Predators do not harvest only bucks. In fact, they seldom harvest mature bucks.
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:24 PM
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One last thought on the subject. State fish and game departments have full time biologists who review the deer population and they issue tags accordingly. In Montana growing up when the deer population got low from a couple bad winters they didn't issue any doe tags for several years. After the population got back up they started issuing doe tags again and before long the people that were willing to shoot does could get up to 7 doe tags counting special hunting areas were the deer were seriously over populated. Right now in Texas every hunting license sold has up to 5 doe tags (depending on which county you are hunting) and still many hunters think shooting a doe is beneath them and won't fill the tags. Pretty hard to control a population that way.
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:24 PM
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Does this sounds like preservation to you?


Unless you are out of antlerless permits, kill every doe that stands still long enough to put cross hairs on.


We have over eight hundred thousand deer hunters in PA!
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:28 PM
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bawanajim- You are correct that you can manage your own property anyway you see fit, even if its not sound management. - and if you do not think its an accomplishment to take doe - that's fine - its your property.

But - at the state level -there needs to be a real plan with populationgoals set.

As far as you against the "doe killers" - its too bad you feel that way - You don't seem to understand deer managament at any level other than for your own personal satisfaction.

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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:30 PM
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PA is made up of small parcels of land unlike Texas where ranches are thousands of acres. I really don't believe my 150 acres of land will destroy the great society's idea of deer management.
But in my small piece of America the doe is still Queen.
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:36 PM
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bawanajim- You are correct that you can manage your own property anyway you see fit, even if its not sound management. - and if you do not think its an accomplishment to take doe - that's fine - its your property.

But - at the state level -there needs to be a real plan with populationgoals set.

As far as you against the "doe killers" - its too bad you feel that way - You don't seem to understand deer managament at any level other than for your own personal satisfaction.

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And when you stop by and we take awalk around my land you can show me what is not working .But until you have seen it you are talking about cats in a dog fight.
You won't find me telling your your dogs ugly.And I don't believe you should tell me about my land anda one size fitsyou deer management!
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:40 PM
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But you are the one attacking other people for following realistic deer management goals. If everyone around you felt like you do and refused to shoot does, the deer would quickly overpopulate your area.

There are large ranches in Texas but there are still plenty of smaller properties. I'm hoping to soon own 160 acres that I will try to manage well. The area I am buying my land is not over populated and I will not be shooting does anytime soon. But many other areas are seriously overpopulated and shooting does is really the only effective way to control deer population in the southern united states. In the northern states you can allow winter to control the deer population but that isn't pretty.

I have in fact ventured from the south and do know what deerAND elk country looks like as I grew up in the beautiful state of Montana. Maybe you should think about leaving your little 150 acre hidey hole and seeing how if everyone practiced what you are preaching there would be serious issues in maintaining healthy sustained deer populations.
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Old 02-19-2007 | 04:50 PM
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And when you stop by and we take awalk around my land you can show me what is not working .But until you have seen it you are talking about cats in a dog fight.
You won't find me telling your your dogs ugly.And I don't believe you should tell me about my land anda one size fitsyou deer management!
Actually - I told you that you have every right to follow your own management plan on your property -

We have a neighbor like you - except he has 600 acres. We go out of our way to harvest extra does on our property because we know he's not doing his part.

In a nutshell - if everyone managed deer like you - the deer population would get way out of control real quick - No one's telling you that YOU PERSONALLY have to shoot does - I don't think we really care if you do or don't.

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