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i read some of madcows post and can only say

the information he selected was to get HIS point across

i live in wyoming and we hunt with it in our back yard there fore i have learned alot about it

if it were able to transmit to cows or humans it would have shown up by now
and would also be unable to hide

cows deer and elk run together on the same range here year around
cwd has been here since the early 70s
there is still not a case of either cwd in cows(here in wyoming) or humans

so in 30 or so years with millions of contacts (cow/deer)(human/deer)there still is not a case speculative or documented

the odds are so great i am not going to loose any sleep over it no matter what madcows info says

You know I like the -06 as well.

Now, I think CWD is something that is very important to discuss among hunters. On the other hand, MADCOW just wants to cut and paste loads of articles on CJD and such not only from animal-rights activists, but foreign scientists. It's important to discuss rationally, but this kind of 50-page spam is ridiculous.

He's going to spam as he sees fit, so yes, let's drop it for the moment. He can do his thing, and I'll dream about next season. If any new developments in CWD outbreaks/containment arise, I'll be sure to take note and talk to hunters about it.

i am tring to get across that the herd in this area has been decimated for years the to even see a few deer is tough. But with this extended seasons we still have people out killing. and all the landowners and other hunters are tired of having what few deer are left takin by the greedy few. These people are jsut in it for the kill. Deer have been hard to come by here for the last five years.

I don't think anyone intentionally bashed MADCOW
could have fooled me?


If your mother really did die on CJD (probably another one of your lies), I'm truly sorry. But she would be an extremely rare victim.

Your arguments are akin to having your mother struck by lightning (which isn't as rare as suffering from CJD) and then crusading against standing under the open sky. Get a life and cry to people who are willing to give up their happiness in fear of some miniscule risk.



'MOMS AUTOPSY REPORT'

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/lyman/messages/7548.html

Moms death from hvCJD

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/lyman/messages/7252.html

TSS = Terry S. Singeltary Sr.

TSE = Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy

hvCJD = Heidenhain Variant Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease

so in 30 or so years with millions of contacts (cow/deer)(human/deer)there still is not a case speculative or documented
the 5th cow and 1st sheep was recently documented contracting CWD in
the Lab by inoculation. anyone that knows anything about TSEs knows we
must wait for the testing of the oral route due to the very long incubation
period.

madcow going on about being a veghead but not hating hunters if you are going to quote what i said, please quote it correctly. never
said i was a veghead (see full email below), in fact had a plate full
of smoked porkies last night.

hello farmcntry;

i will try, but the urls i have these documents posted to, some are vegsource
site urls and i am afraid i will scare off what few are willing to read the data
with a url to vegsource. they are peer reviewed articles from journals that
cost a great deal of money to access and i am giving the data here free.
seems like people would be grateful, but some cannot see the forest for the
trees, and others never will. I am not a veghead, they wife is a dairy and
fish veghead, but not before what happen to my Mother. The vegsource
site has given me a platform to post my research and i am very grateful
for that. However, some of the data I have posted to other deer hunter boards
in other states etc, and they too were very much offended when i first started
to post data there, but then became very thankful when they realized i was not
the peta bogeyman. i only seek the truth, which we have not been told.
i am here as only the messenger. i am not against hunting as i said, in fact
before i became disabled from my neck injury i loved to go into the woods and
hunt. i am against game farms, but that is just my opinion, these game farms
need the data too. we are all in this damn boat together, and together, we must
eradicate this damn disease. ignorance and denial is not the answer. and i do not
have all the answers, but i have studied this on a daily basis for 6 years as of
yesterday MOM DOD 12/14/97 hvCJD 'confirmed'. i will tell you something else
i did not mention. my neighbors mother died exactly one year previously,
to THE DAY of my mom of CJD, her case was confirmed as well. i don't know
how long i will last here, i move in and out. no where am i welcomed, but some
have come to respect my knowledge...i only wish to share that with all. we must
stop this agent...I WILL try and shorten my postings, and try to reference data
with urls i have posted to other hunting boards. ................later.......terry/TSS


17 December 2003; Vol. 290, No. 23

CJD Prions a Surgery Risk?

Joan Stephenson, PhD

JAMA. 2003;290:3057.

Researchers from Switzerland have discovered that prions, the hardy infectious proteins responsible for Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD), can be detected in skeletal muscle of affected patients. This finding, they said, suggests that surgical equipment used on patients with CJD could subsequently transmit the virus to others because the sterilization procedures routinely used for surgical implements do not destroy prions (N Engl J Med. 2003;349:1812-1820).

Using an extremely sensitive prion detection method, the researchers examined brain tissue and extraneural organs of 36 patients with sporadic CJD. In addition to detecting prions in the brain tissue of all patients, they found prions in 10 of 28 spleen specimens and in 8 of 22 samples of skeletal muscles.

Neurological examinations of patients in the prodromal stages of sporadic CJD often include electromyography and muscle biopsies. Thus, the researchers said, finding prions in skeletal muscle of patients with the disorder "reinforces calls for the use of single-use needle electrodes and of special protocols for the sterilization of surgical instruments used for biopsies."

The article this news story refers to was published in the New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 349, pages1812-1820

Joan Stephenson

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...0/23/3057?etoc


FINAL TRANSMISSION TO REDNECK BOARD

with this said, i have put the data to you, it is here,
use it, wipe your @ss with it, i dont care.
the rest of you rude ignorant bastards can kiss my ass
(the rude ones only).
i'm through, if you want to stay stupid and watch your
sport disolve before your eyes, so be it. it's the hunters
that must stop this agent, but not from what i have seen
from this board... if you want to ask a question write to my
email, i will not post anymore here for now. there are others
that want this data, ones that are serious about stopping
this agent...all i see here for the most part is a bunch of
ignorant rednecks, at least for the ones that continued
to slam me...good luck///

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LMAO! The whole time I thought TSS was another disease it was his dang Initials.

Awesome...usually I have to wait for Thanksgiving or Christmas each year to get my proper tongue-lashing from the family. Just simply awesome...

However, being a physiologist who studies sheep and cattle, I've done a few reports on CWD and TSE's. Madcow may be a bit pompous, but his information is solid. The links are good also.

And just to let you other guys know, Beth Williams was the first to conclusively identify and determine that CWD was indeed a TSE. She is the leader in the CWD field, period. Her thoughts, research and ideas in the scientific world about CWD are both golden and pretty much the law.

S&R

MADCOW, in all honesty, sorry for mis-quoting you, however I asked simple questions to which your e-mail to me did not answer.

You finally answered my questions, now I can look this up and make informed decisions about them.

Hard to believe that anyone is naive enough to think cwd is not going to continue spreading. You will never totally erradicate it you many slow it down but is here to stay. Dop you think you can kill every deer in theses areas or inoculate if it is transfered by contact are you going to put up signs telling the deer not to come in contact with each other. these prions have been shown to exist in the soil for a very long time so that one deer say eating acorns could possibly infect a deer that comes and feeds in the same place days later. I dont remember where I read it but 12 mice were infected with cwd half developed the prion half did not one of those that did not have it was used to inject 12 other mice and the same thing happened. So is the prion the cause of cwd or is it just a symptom.