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09-01-2015, 04:43 AM
#81
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
I find it laughable that 2 "members", both of whom are deer pimps and both of whom just happened to come to the forum during the same year are the only ones endorsing captive deer hunting! What a fHNI Rule 1 Violation Language joke! Killing livestock behind an escape proof fence IS NOT HUNTING!
I find it laughable that every time a CWD thread comes up it turns into high fence hunting....Thats because they have nothing to fight with and have to change the case of the tread! Pretty simple to watch every time!
Last edited by JW; 09-01-2015 at 05:46 AM. Reason: Language
09-01-2015, 04:59 AM
#82
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
Only a deer pimp looking at making $$$ would be so supportive of shooting captive livestock. A hunter has no use for what you're peddling. Your method of killing is one of the things that turn many against hunting. Think about what your image sends to the non-hunters: Pen raised deer, specially fed to grow big antlers, sold to the highest bidder, chased with no chance of escape and killed for the ego of someone that is taking the easy way out. That is what you peddle and I want no part of it.
Comparing what you sell to what most people hunt is akin to comparing a high school sweetheart to a common call girl.
09-01-2015, 05:00 AM
#83
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,359
Step into one of those ranches down there where your at and tell one of them Texas ranch owners how you feel about high fence. They will say that is your right and then take you out and get you lost....in an escape proof fence.
I find it laughable that every time a CWD thread comes up it turns into high fence hunting....Thats because they have nothing to fight with and have to change the case of the tread! Pretty simple to watch every time!
I find it laughable that every time a CWD thread comes up it turns into high fence hunting....Thats because they have nothing to fight with and have to change the case of the tread! Pretty simple to watch every time!
I'm not against farming deer if its done right but its still not hunting IMO.
09-01-2015, 05:11 AM
#84
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
[QUOTE=flags;4216091]I have no need to. I don't need you or any other deer pimp to contain my game behind a fence no matter what state it is in. I find the entire concept of shooting pen raised game to be repugnant. Besides, I do nearly all my hunting in my native CO with my family. Ever tried to hunt a mulie or an elk in the Rockies? Or do you do all your shooting in your zoo?
Only a deer pimp looking at making $$$ would be so supportive of shooting captive livestock. A hunter has no use for what you're peddling. Your method of killing is one of the things that turn many against hunting. Think about what your image sends to the non-hunters: Pen raised deer, specially fed to grow big antlers, sold to the highest bidder, chased with no chance of escape and killed for the ego of someone that is taking the easy way out. That is what you peddle and I want no part of it.(Quote)
So if i put you in a 1200 acre high fence ranch and showed you pics of a buck, Gave you a week to kill that buck with your choice of gear and you came out with your tail between your legs would that make you feel any different?
Most people never even get to hunt 100 acres let alone 1200. I could put you on a mountain top and your buck could be on another mountain top.
Dont pile all high fence ranches together and i promise you that more people will walk out of that 1200 acres without the buck then guys that will kill it. In there you have to hunt a single deer. Not just any deer will do. That right there takes 80% of the hunters out of the picture.
Only a deer pimp looking at making $$$ would be so supportive of shooting captive livestock. A hunter has no use for what you're peddling. Your method of killing is one of the things that turn many against hunting. Think about what your image sends to the non-hunters: Pen raised deer, specially fed to grow big antlers, sold to the highest bidder, chased with no chance of escape and killed for the ego of someone that is taking the easy way out. That is what you peddle and I want no part of it.(Quote)
So if i put you in a 1200 acre high fence ranch and showed you pics of a buck, Gave you a week to kill that buck with your choice of gear and you came out with your tail between your legs would that make you feel any different?
Most people never even get to hunt 100 acres let alone 1200. I could put you on a mountain top and your buck could be on another mountain top.
Dont pile all high fence ranches together and i promise you that more people will walk out of that 1200 acres without the buck then guys that will kill it. In there you have to hunt a single deer. Not just any deer will do. That right there takes 80% of the hunters out of the picture.
09-01-2015, 05:43 AM
#85
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: WI
Posts: 1,089
Step into one of those ranches down there where your at and tell one of them Texas ranch owners how you feel about high fence. They will say that is your right and then take you out and get you lost....in an escape proof fence.
I find it laughable that every time a CWD thread comes up it turns into high fence hunting....Thats because they have nothing to fight with and have to change the case of the tread! Pretty simple to watch every time!
I find it laughable that every time a CWD thread comes up it turns into high fence hunting....Thats because they have nothing to fight with and have to change the case of the tread! Pretty simple to watch every time!
09-01-2015, 05:46 AM
#86
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,439
Lets not confuse the issue and go off track, whether or not a person approves of high fence hunting isn't the subject here, the subject is, is captive deer farming the main source of CWD east of the Mississippi when it was initially found in Mule deer in the west and for years stayed west of the Mississippi. There is a good case for the interstate and intrastate movement of deer or sperm for breeding to play a huge role in the spread of the disease, the scientists say the disease is spread by urine and saliva and bodily fluids and a captive herd is the perfect incubator for the disease. Those who are in the business, at least the ones here are saying the scientists are wrong, I will continue to believe the scientists until they are proven wrong, not just because someone who has lot of money to lose says so. Many states universities are working on the problem and I suspect it will not be long until they will have evidence that the breeders will not be able to argue away. There is a fairly new test now that can be used by taking a sample of a deer's tonsils while alive, I don't know how much it is used.
09-01-2015, 05:53 AM
#87
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,439
gjersey, there was a captive herd that was depopulated in PA and the owners took the fence down and it was in area where wild deer would go into that property. The department of Ag didn't make them put the fence back up. We have had deer escape from captive breeding facilities and at least one of those facilities turned up positive for CWD. This kind of crap along with the surreptitious movement of deer for breeding is why there is a real danger to our wild deer from captive breeding operations, regardless of what a couple of people here are saying.
09-01-2015, 05:58 AM
#88
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 107
For those interested, this link shows the history (since 2003) of CWD in Illinois. Draw your own conclusions. http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/programs...s/default.aspx
09-01-2015, 05:59 AM
#89
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 62
Lets not confuse the issue and go off track, whether or not a person approves of high fence hunting isn't the subject here, the subject is, is captive deer farming the main source of CWD east of the Mississippi when it was initially found in Mule deer in the west and for years stayed west of the Mississippi. There is a good case for the interstate and intrastate movement of deer or sperm for breeding to play a huge role in the spread of the disease, the scientists say the disease is spread by urine and saliva and bodily fluids and a captive herd is the perfect incubator for the disease. Those who are in the business, at least the ones here are saying the scientists are wrong, I will continue to believe the scientists until they are proven wrong, not just because someone who has lot of money to lose says so. Many states universities are working on the problem and I suspect it will not be long until they will have evidence that the breeders will not be able to argue away. There is a fairly new test now that can be used by taking a sample of a deer's tonsils while alive, I don't know how much it is used.
There are a dozen different vectors and deer farms are the only tested ones. There are many more vectors spreading it faster than tested deer farms.
You are right...Deer farmers are paying for the research by the scientists that you speak of. And this test will once and for all prove how clean and tested our whitetails are. Problem will be the wild deer will be spreading the crap like they are now and will still be untested.
This will just be a feather in the cap of high fence when they can prove that when hunters come hunt with them they are getting clean healthy Tested whitetail deer and god forbid if this ever jumps over to man you will ONLY be hunting high fence clean tested whitetails.
Or you will hang up your hat!
09-01-2015, 06:01 AM
#90
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 107
Here is some more really good information regarding the state of Illinois. A lot of good data. http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/programs...rt20132014.pdf
You'll notice the "golden triangle" counties have no history of CWD.
You'll notice the "golden triangle" counties have no history of CWD.