No One Needs to Hunt!
09-26-2009, 08:31 AM
#12
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Wyandotte,Oklahoma
Posts: 259
Sorry but this is a pretty naive post. In the process of over-population, the deer will eat everything in sight, destroying the ecology of the area and any farmers' livelihood in the area. Since we have destroyed their natural predators and the food balance by filling the land with agricultural crops to further our own existence, hunting for population control is MANDATORY.
Who is to say shooting only 1-2 deer is "hunting" vs 3 or more is "just killing" if it is within the management guidelines legalized by the state?
Perhaps you think putting a $400 mount on your wall is somehow superior, but I see it the opposite way around.
Who is to say shooting only 1-2 deer is "hunting" vs 3 or more is "just killing" if it is within the management guidelines legalized by the state?
Perhaps you think putting a $400 mount on your wall is somehow superior, but I see it the opposite way around.
We (Human Beings) are supposed to be the intelligent species on this earth,IMO we are the most pitiful! We rely on everything else for our existence!
Being so, we are the caretakers of this earth and should respect everything and keep proper balance in the numbers of all animals.
We HAVE taken so much space on this earth, in doing so we taken away most of the natural predators . Over population WILL not only cause degradation of crops and land, But one poster even said starvation will take it's course.Well does that mean it has to be us as well as the game?? What about disease from all the dead animals decaying??
A lot of the food that Deer consume is the same food other animals need to survive,it is one big chain.
Or better yet, let someone hit that same over populated deer with a car and having one of your loved ones in the car and killing them,then lets see if your view changes.
The Key IS and HAS always been BALANCE in all things.
09-26-2009, 08:49 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 6,921
Well unless the game is right outside your door or very close by then can't afford meat doesn't apply. First off let me clarify I hunt and eat every piece of meat i get, my family lives on venison. However if I sat down and figure out the costs per pound...well lets just say its not cheap! I hunt because I enjoy it, the meat is really the bonus but a bonus we have come to love and frankly dang near expected in my household. When ever i am grilled about my need to hunt by the anti I rebute by asking what they do to conserving the animals for which they think they keep? The truth told hunters know more about the animal for which they chase and do more to conserve them as well. DU is a perfect example of hunters helping the game they cherish. Not to mention the revenue we generate for state and private sectors. What about employment/job creation? The list goes on folks. The anti or activist are dwelling on a single creature we're we think of them as a herd or whole...who really is doing more??? Chaps my cheeks I tell you!!
09-26-2009, 12:09 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,282
I hunt because I need and like the meat. I also hunt to be more independant and less dependant on obtaining my nourishment from civilized channels. The crap they put into store bought food in general is not good and the less you depend on it the healthier you will be.
09-26-2009, 02:50 PM
#15
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 564
[quote=spaniel;3454368] Any crops within 100 yards of a treeline or ditch line are eaten to the ground, there is no edible foliage left within 6 feet of the ground and the woods are not replenishing with trees as the deer eat/rub off all the small ones.
Who is to say shooting only 1-2 deer is "hunting" vs 3 or more is "just killing" if it is within the management guidelines legalized by the state?quote]
You are making a case that farmers should be paying hunters for harvesting deer off their land as opposed to charging a hunter for access. But seeing as how almost all farmers as suckling on the teet of the socialist FDA and the Department of Agriculture and urging the passage of government mandated farm bills which have no Constitutional authority what so ever, I would never expect the farming community to ever embrace this form of capitalism.
Who is to say shooting only 1-2 deer is "hunting" vs 3 or more is "just killing" if it is within the management guidelines legalized by the state?quote]
You are making a case that farmers should be paying hunters for harvesting deer off their land as opposed to charging a hunter for access. But seeing as how almost all farmers as suckling on the teet of the socialist FDA and the Department of Agriculture and urging the passage of government mandated farm bills which have no Constitutional authority what so ever, I would never expect the farming community to ever embrace this form of capitalism.
09-26-2009, 02:55 PM
#16
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 564
I hunt because I need and like the meat. I also hunt to be more independant and less dependant on obtaining my nourishment from civilized channels. The crap they put into store bought food in general is not good and the less you depend on it the healthier you will be.
09-26-2009, 05:16 PM
#17
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Eagleville Missouri
Posts: 338
Not sure how we got to Detroit but while we're here, how about a shelter, or a will work for food sign or a dumpster dive after hours at pizza hut? I do not think holding up a store is justified at all in any circumstance, but people have been driven to worse, for less reason. And maybe I was a poacher when I was 4-10 years old but I didn't know it then, and I'm not now. The city to me,I don't really know as I avoid them when possible, has a lot of possibilities for finding food. I have known people in fact in the Army who simply asked a few restaurant owners and managers about saving the last food of the day for them instead of throwing it out, or saving the food from the buffet when it needs refreshing. But go back to 1970 in my town and you would find zero restaurants, no grocery store within 15 miles and there still isn't, and even if there was you couldn't afford to travel to it more than once per week on a Saturday for necessities. I'm not bitchin I'm just sayin how it was and still is for many. I knew how to take game, because thats how everyone did it. I am quite glad those days are long past for me, but I was just wondering how many people were still in that situation. It's probably not strictly legal to pick up critters seen hit on the roads either but I have done so many times and enjoyed some fine meals when I otherwise would have been hungry. The game warden has always kept a list for reported deer kills and authorizes folks to use them for food. But many unreported deer kills also happen on the roads and hungry people clean them up without the game wardens knowledge or permission a lot of times. I bet that happens in Detroit too.
09-26-2009, 05:41 PM
#18
Spike
Join Date: May 2009
Location:
Posts: 60
Most of us may not need to hunt to get food, but we may need to hunt to afford quality meat. Harvesting deer from the wild is absolutely the most humane way to procure it, and it's better for you than even most of the "organic" and "free-range" meat available in the store. These animals are truly free-range. Never, no never, did nature say one thing and wisdom say another! Hunting is good for the soul, and it builds character. It's also nice to know that you have a primitive way to provide for your family when times are bad.
09-27-2009, 06:45 AM
#19
Spike
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cleveland Ohio
Posts: 9
Big picture
I hunt because I enjoy it. All aspects, being in the woods,watching the wildlife in it natural suroundings etc. My family eats all we harvest. The word need has many meanings depending on the context. Do I need to to hunt to survive, No, but I do know of people who hunt to supplement the food they have to pay for. But, I do need to hunt to maintain my sanity from the crazy world in which we live. Just like people who golf, fish, hike etc. Most people enjoy something to help them cope with the pressures most people have. What I call the big picture is as with the fanatic animal rights groups , you have 1 group of people trying to force their morals and beliefs on another group(Hunters) and tell us what we can and cannot do. Do I NEED to HUNT to live or I will die, NO. But I do NEED to HUNT because I call that LIVING!
09-27-2009, 01:31 PM
#20
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Eagleville Missouri
Posts: 338
Good last few posts, I thought everyone was just gonna agree with the anti hunters! I need to hunt to keep my sanity also. Getting out in nature is all I need to relax and I may even let the prey slip by.
There is also an ecological need. As some have pointed out most of the natural predators have been wiped out, but we are natural predators too and now must take on the responsibility. Our forefathers should not have wiped out the wolves and bears and big cats, but they did and while we try and bring them back we must take up the slack.
There is also a need for good food that the genetically engineered crap at the grocery can no longer provide.
There is also an economic need for many thousands who it seems, no one knows exists and no one tries to help in this country. Besides they are too proud and hard working to ask for or accept help.
There is a need for farmers to help save there livelyhoods, and that affects everyone who buys any food anywhere. I think the organic vegitarians would vomit there salad if they knew how many poor animals had to be killed to insure the survival of their cabage. My goal is to get that wasted meat to hungry carnivores.
There is also an ecological need. As some have pointed out most of the natural predators have been wiped out, but we are natural predators too and now must take on the responsibility. Our forefathers should not have wiped out the wolves and bears and big cats, but they did and while we try and bring them back we must take up the slack.
There is also a need for good food that the genetically engineered crap at the grocery can no longer provide.
There is also an economic need for many thousands who it seems, no one knows exists and no one tries to help in this country. Besides they are too proud and hard working to ask for or accept help.
There is a need for farmers to help save there livelyhoods, and that affects everyone who buys any food anywhere. I think the organic vegitarians would vomit there salad if they knew how many poor animals had to be killed to insure the survival of their cabage. My goal is to get that wasted meat to hungry carnivores.
