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Old 12-29-2006 | 03:42 PM
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well dog hunting deer here is illegal ( Texas ). Thankfully.
The whole problem is people and dogs ruining someone elses hunt. I would be absolutely pissed If I was hunting on my land and a pack of dogs and hunters came running through it. This is what seems to be the problem. It seems you dog hunters dont want to grasp that. All everyone is saying is for you and your dogs to keep them off their land. If you cant do that, well expect a change in the laws and dont blame anyone but yourselves. I dont think someone asking for you and your dogs to stay offtheir land is out of line. What happened to common courtesy ?
I am generalising all dog hunters, but some reply's here by some dog hunters is just unbelievable
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Old 12-29-2006 | 04:08 PM
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I do know this every one of you who cast a vote on any matter that restricts anykind of dog hunting, its driving a nail in the coffin of hunting of all kinds.
Lets just talk about that fool notion for a minute. When folks determined lead shot was bad for the ecology and they mandated steel shot did duck hunting end? When they decided punt gun waterfowlers were bad for waterfowl populations did duck hunting end? When the decided killing 80,000,000 buffalo and leaving them to rot was poor practice andenacted laws to stop the carnage was it the end of hunting? When they decided seine netting and dynamiting was bad for fishing did it end fishing? When they decided baiting dove fields was bad for dove hunting did it end dove hunting? When they decided unregulated bag limits was wiping out our big game herds did it end big game hunting?

How much longer do you want me to go on about regulations that are made to preserve the sport and to prevent it from detroying itself from the inside out? Every regulation out there is made to curb hunter behavior to preserve the sport. As well redefining the regulations concerning dog hunting is a move to preserve the sport as a whole. You fellas are bad for hunting with your rampant tresspassing violations, roadside shooting, and slobbish behavior. And one more thing if youre a good dogger that stays in bounds, you should fear nothing in my words.

Far as you good doggers. I hate it for you and you better get proactive real fast about being a part of the reregulation of your sport or folks like myself that really dont give a rats azz about your diggin tradition are going to decide for you. Want to know whats worse? The non huntng public which commands vastly more influence in this world is going to vote as well. Unfortunately us still hunting fellas get lumped into a sterotype much like yourselves in their eyes. They dont differentiate between doggers and still hunting. Why should I stay in bed with the likes of rougue men trapsing all over my land and the non hunting publics land? No i dont accept your few bad apples theroy nor do i want your few bad apples in my basket. For the record us still hunters have stiff laws to deal with tresspassing stillhunters.

Lets dive a little deeper. Seeing how y'all good doggers still have the occasional breach you reckon it would be ok if I occaisionally come tresspass on your club? Why sure it would utilizing the common doggers mindset.

Heres whatI want.I want your hunting activity to influence mine and my non hunting neighbors as much and my method disturbs yours.I want you and your hounds which are just an extension of the hunter to face the same chargesI would ifI crawled all over your land. WhatI really want the most is for the few good doggers to stop complaining and utilizing very worn out arguments to protect what little respect they have left and get proactive in the reregulation of the sport. Why cause you all are making us all look bad to the very powerfull and very (unconcerned about hunting)non hunting public. I wont climb in bed with you ticks anymore. You leach opportunity and drop out of the game everytime somecalls foul and rest on stupid excuses like were anti hunting and turbo charging the end of hunting all together. Thats just plain BS. No sirs I say get together and get busy or get regulated out of existance. I and many others are calling you out on the table and be warned the hunters that do show up and say this is what we would like to see happen will be the ones that get some consideration. I say get on board or die. Your choice cause we arent going to support your "few bad apples" behavior any longer.

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Old 12-29-2006 | 04:45 PM
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The sad thing is your right.
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Old 12-29-2006 | 05:07 PM
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Far as you good doggers. I hate it for you and you better get proactive real fast about being a part of the reregulation of your sport or folks like myself that really dont give a rats azz about your diggin tradition are going to decide for you. Want to know whats worse? The non huntng public which commands vastly more influence in this world is going to vote as well. Unfortunately us still hunting fellas get lumped into a sterotype much like yourselves in their eyes. They dont differentiate between doggers and still hunting. Why should I stay in bed with the likes of rougue men trapsing all over my land and the non hunting publics land? No i dont accept your few bad apples theroy nor do i want your few bad apples in my basket. For the record us still hunters have stiff laws to deal with tresspassing stillhunters.

Lets dive a little deeper. Seeing how y'all good doggers still have the occasional breach you reckon it would be ok if I occaisionally come tresspass on your club? Why sure it would utilizing the common doggers mindset.

Heres whatI want.I want your hunting activity to influence mine and my non hunting neighbors as much and my method disturbs yours.I want you and your hounds which are just an extension of the hunter to face the same chargesI would ifI crawled all over your land. WhatI really want the most is for the few good doggers to stop complaining and utilizing very worn out arguments to protect what little respect they have left and get proactive in the reregulation of the sport. Why cause you all are making us all look bad to the very powerfull and very (unconcerned about hunting)non hunting public. I wont climb in bed with you ticks anymore. You leach opportunity and drop out of the game everytime somecalls foul and rest on stupid excuses like were anti hunting and turbo charging the end of hunting all together. Thats just plain BS. No sirs I say get together and get busy or get regulated out of existance. I and many others are calling you out on the table and be warned the hunters that do show up and say this is what we would like to see happen will be the ones that get some consideration. I say get on board or die. Your choice cause we arent going to support your "few bad apples" behavior any longer.
Well fortunately for me I don't need your support(as much as I would like it). Locally and on statewide leveldog hunting herehas more supporters than not, has been for years,decades, centuries in the areas I hunt inVA, mainly because of the amount of deer harvested by dog hunters in the state.

Your way of doing things suggests that we are to find,confront, and straighten out"bad" dog hunters. If I have a problem with trepassers, poachers, spotlighters, drunks hunting, or other "rogue hunters", I call the local warden or report it to the state office. That is who issupposed to deal with these things.

Just because I am a dog hunter does not mean I have to police other dog hunters. I found a good group to hunt with, in our area we "police" if you will, but outside of that is out of my hands, andif we have problems within the generalarea we hunt the VDGIF(DNR) handle it. We have an excellent relationship with the local and district wardensand arevery active in our state DMAP program and community programs such as Hunters for the Hungry. We are doingour part.

Itis funny thatyou say we will not supportme as good dog hunter because of the bad apples. How quickly that can be applied to any form of hunting. You are aware that"dog hunters" aren't the only group of hunters that have bad apples. It is apparent to me that you just don't like dog hunting, no matter who is doing it (good or bad). As you transfer the responsibility of lawbreakers onto my shoulders then say "Oh well deal with it."You say a good dogger should fear nothing in your wordsand I don't fear anything in them, I guess it is more dissapointmentbecause there is a lackof respect in them for dog hunters in general not just bad ones.

I know we will have the support we need when we need it as some of us are proactive and organizedI just think there are many who have had such bad experiences with dogs and dog hunting that they never will accept it or respect it, even if there arethose of us whodo stay "in bounds" as you put it.








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Old 12-29-2006 | 06:08 PM
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Itis funny thatyou say we will not supportme as good dog hunter because of the bad apples.
Whats even funnier is you doggers wont hear the resounding cries of your brother hunters who have always stood up for you. Now when we ask for relief you call foul and declare us anti hunters. All were asking for is regulation to help your sport be less offensive to all. If you wont jump on board and get with the times then expect a resounding tough crap from the rest of the hunting community.

RR what i said might have had merit 50 years ago? get real dude what i say has more merit today than ever. People are tired of dealing with hounds ruining their hunts and being on their lands.

Plain and simple if you cant control your hounds and kleep them on ground you have permission to hunt than you should not release them. Why? cause it pisses everyone off including the non hunting public. And like I have already said many times, If y'all want to get proactive and work towards regulation such as Georgia has to help curb the rougues and make fellas such as yourself shine as good examples I am with you. If you want me to continue to turn my head and let you run all over my land and ruin my hunting forget it.
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Old 12-29-2006 | 06:12 PM
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Just because I am a dog hunter does not mean I have to police other dog hunters. I found a good group to hunt with, in our area we "police" if you will,
Hear no evil see no evil. In your case. However the rest of the world is pissed and its getting worse every year. This is headline news around these parts and guess what fellas the reform movement is moving towards you. if you think now is the time to relax and not worry about policing the rules and in essence rougues of your sport. We will do it for you.
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Old 12-29-2006 | 07:48 PM
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Just because I am a dog hunter does not mean I have to police other dog hunters. I found a good group to hunt with, in our area we "police" if you will,
Hear no evil see no evil. In your case. However the rest of the world is pissed and its getting worse every year. This is headline news around these parts and guess what fellas the reform movement is moving towards you. if you think now is the time to relax and not worry about policing the rules and in essence rougues of your sport. We will do it for you.
It's not hear no evil see no evil, but I don't get paid to take the risk of confronting the unsavory amongst us and I do what I can by reporting any problems(in our area) that need to be dealt with by the law.

Only time will tell. Until you find another way to kill all these deer it is highly unlikely dog hunting is going anywhere, despite all of yourwar cries.But come on up and take care of it for us. If it gets changed and regulated then so be it. I'm sure for those of us that follow the current regulations new ones won't be any harder to follow.


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Old 12-29-2006 | 08:08 PM
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Maybe it would be better if ALL dog hunting was abolished, including duck dogs, dove dogs, coon dogs, quail dogs, squirrel dogs, deer dogs, etc. You can hunt all of the game animals without the aid of a dog can't you? You might not harvest as many or recover all that you shoot, but who says any of the above and other dogs might bother somebody in some way.
The above is tongue in cheek, sort of .......
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Old 12-29-2006 | 08:33 PM
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dog hunters aren't giving up they're sport and thats basicly what your demanding, so get your movement going and hurry up about it so ya learn a very valuable lesson.
You guys are typical and a very good indicator as to why you are probably very much correct in saying that the eventual end is people will seek the abolishment of deer doggin.You wont get together and be proactive about addressing the issuee that are being leveled in your court. You would rather throw out excuses and cry of folks picking on your way of life rather than realize you are sharing this ground like it or not.Furthermore your running all over ground that aint yours.

A fella comes on here and says flat out I am all for helping and supporting reforms for your kind of hunting to help insure its future while at the same time minimizing the negative impact. In return yousay things like ,you just want to see the end of doggin, you must be a transplant, you love the country but want to regulate the country out of existence. Give me a break, and at the very least do me the favor of coming up with something worth replying to.LikeI saida very typical reply by adogger.

Have you ever read the new Georgia regulations? Here they are read up and tell me where it says we will abolish dog hunting. Progressive self policing of your sport through regulation is what you fellas need to insure its survival. No one is suggesting you stop and face off with the rougues of your sport, we are tending to that while y'all are racing your hounds. Not just us but the general public. Yep i have slapped down more than one of your kind and will do it again, cause brother I am big bad azz red neck myself, I just have some respect for other peoples property rights unlike many ofthedoggers out there today.

Far as the last poster goes I will refer you back to my earlier post where we looked at regulations that have passed changing tactics or techniques to preserve the sport. no ones looking to end hound running just the haphazard way its being done. Furthermore those regulations dont mean the end of the sporting dog. No in fact they mean to preserve the ability of the sporting dog to be a positive part of the hunting tradition.

Now if you got any real stake in your future read on fellas and lets continue this conversation with some education on the table.

Lonice C. Barrett, Commissioner
David Waller, Director Georgia Department of Natural Resources
Wildlife Resources Division
2070 U.S. Highway 278, S.E., Social Circle, Georgia 30025
(770) 918-6400
June 30, 2003
MEMORANDUM
TO: INTERESTED PERSONS AND ORGANIZATIONS
FROM: DAVID WALLER (Signed)
SUBJECT: NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING
Notice is hereby given that, pursuant to authority contained in the Game and Fish Code
(Official Code of Georgia Annotated, Title 27; O.C.G.A. §27-1-4 and §27-3-17), the Board of
Natural Resources proposes to adopt Department of Natural Resources rules and regulations
governing permit requirements for the hunting of deer with dogs. The proposed regulation (copy
attached), when adopted, will adopt applicable rules of Chapter 391-4-17, regulating the hunting of
deer with dogs. The purpose of the proposed regulations is to develop rules and procedures for the
issuance of legislatively mandated permits for the hunting of deer with dogs.
Members of the general public will have an opportunity to provide input into the formulation
of these regulations at two Departmentally sponsored public hearings, scheduled at 7:00 p.m. on July
15, in Moultrie at the Spencefield Community Center, 290G Harper Blvd.; and on July 17, in
Statesboro at the Statesboro High School gymnasium, 10 Lester Road. Following the hearings, the
Board of Natural Resources will consider the proposed rules and any comments received in the
hearing process on Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 10:00 a.m. at 2 Martin Luther King Jr. Drive,
Suite 1252, Atlanta, Ga. Draft regulations may be obtained from Game Management Section offices
in Albany, Brunswick, Fitzgerald and Social Circle or on the Internet at
www.gohuntgeorgia.com.
Any participant at the hearing may present data, make a statement or comment, or offer a
viewpoint or argument, either orally or in writing. Statements should be concise to permit everyone
an opportunity to speak. Participants in the hearing are required to register on arrival and to notify
the registering official of their intent to give a statement. Those unable to attend the hearings may
submit written statements, before close of business on August 11, 2003. Such statements should be
mailed to: Department of Natural Resources, Wildlife Resources Division, Game Management
Section, 2070 U.S. Highway 278, S.E., Social Circle, Georgia, 30025.
Please bring this notice to the attention of your acquaintances that may be interested in this
matter. These meetings are physically accessible to people with disabilities. Requests for sign
language interpretation or other auxiliary aids should be directed to Dan Forster at the above address
by July 9, 2003.
/df
Attachment: Proposed Regulations
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-2
SYNOPSIS OF PROPOSED RULE “391-4-2-.17”
AN AMMENDMENT TO RULES FOR HUNTING REGULATIONS, CHAPTER 391-4-2
Rule 391-4-2-.17, relating to “Hunting Deer With Dogs” is being proposed for
adoption.
Purpose: This year, Georgia’s General Assembly passed House Bill 815
that required landowners and lessees to obtain a permit issued by
the Department of Natural prior to hunting deer with dogs. These
proposed changes include adoption of new rules numbered 391-4-
17 entitled “Hunting Deer with Dogs”. The purpose of the
proposed regulations is to develop rules and procedures for the
issuance and revocation of legislatively mandated permits for the
hunting of deer with dogs.
Main Features: Proposed rules establish application procedures for obtaining a
permit to hunt deer with dogs that require application submission
at least 30 days prior to the first eligible day of hunting deer with
dogs, a list of authorized hunters, printed name and signatures of
all persons owning any portion of the tract of real property being
submitted, a written description of tract boundaries and a map
showing key features and related information. The proposed rules
also define eligible tracts to include those tracts of real property
that contain a minimum of 1000 contiguous acres, whereby
“contiguous” means a single unit of land that may include
multiple ownerships and may be transected by public roads,
creeks, rivers, or rights-of-way of any public service corporation.
These rules establish guidelines that address access to and from
the permitted property, containing deer hunting dogs on the
permitted property and interference with free travel on public
roads and streams transecting the permitted property. Special
permit conditions also prescribe posting requirements of the
permit number to be displayed on vehicles and dogs used during
hunting activities, requires written authorization from the
permittee for participating guest hunters and prohibits the
retrieval or entering of adjacent landowner’s property without
express written permission.
Permittees, hunters and guests must abide by all applicable
hunting rules, regulations and laws governing hunting and may
be subject to permit revocation or denial for submission of
false information on the permit application, for serious
violations or habitual violations of laws, rules and regulations
or conditions of a deer hunting with dog permit.
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-
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RULES
OF
GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES
CHAPTER 391-4-2
HUNTING REGULATIONS
TABLE OF CONTENTS
391-4-2-.17 Hunting Deer With Dogs. Adopted.
391-4-2-.17 Hunting Deer With Dogs. Adopted.
(1) Permit Requirements. An owner or owners of such tracts of land
or lessee of deer hunting rights for such tracts desiring to hunt deer
with dogs may do so only if said owner or lessee shall have first
applied for and been issued a permit by the Wildlife Resources
Division of the Department of Natural Resources. The hunting of
deer with dogs subsequent to the receipt of said permit shall be
strictly in accordance with the conditions of that permit and shall be
authorized only during times and locations as described in 391-4-2-
.26(6).
(2) Definitions. As used in these Rules and Regulations, the
following terms are defined as follows:
(a) “Contiguous acres” means a single unit of land described on an
application for a permit to hunt deer with dogs that may include
multiple ownerships and may be transected by public roads, creeks,
rivers, or rights-of-way of any public service corporation.
(b) “Eligible tracts” are those tracts of real property that contain a
minimum of 1000 contiguous acres; provided, however, that any
eligible tract or any part thereof which was included in an
application for a permit pursuant to this Chapter which has been the
subject of a revocation or non-renewal pursuant to O.C.G.A. §27-2-
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-2
25 shall not be eligible for inclusion in any subsequent application
for a permit for a period up to 2 years regardless of a change in the
name or membership of the applicant until the expiration period of
revocation or non-renewal.
(c) “Hunting deer with dogs” shall include the act of placing,
releasing or in any other manner causing or procuring the cause of
dog(s) to be, or attempting to be, in the pursuit of running, trailing
or baying deer, whether such act results in a taking or attempted
taking or not. Once the owner of the dog(s), his agents, or
permittees place, release or otherwise cause dog(s) to be in the
pursuit of running, trailing or baying deer, then the owner, his
agents or permittees shall be deemed to be “hunting deer with dogs”
until such time that the dog owner, his agents or permittees have
regained physical possession and control of the dog(s), or the dog(s)
have otherwise ceased in the pursuit or attempted pursuit of
running, trailing or baying deer.
(3) Application for Permit.
(a) The applicant must be the landowner and lessee of deer hunting
rights, if applicable, for the tract of land being considered for a
permit.
(b) An application must be on a form provided by the Department.
Completed forms must include:
1. Name, social security number or federal identification number if
the applicant is a corporation or other entity, address and telephone
number of applicant;
2. List of hunters who are allowed to hunt on the permitted
property;
3. Printed name and signatures of all persons owning any portion of
the tract of real property or an authorized agent thereof. Copies of
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-
2
notarized leases with wording authorizing the use of dogs for
hunting deer may substitute for respective signatures on the
application form;
4. A written description of the tract boundaries and associated
acreage. Acceptable documents are limited to certified plats,
recorded deeds, surveys, tax maps or notarized leases;
5. A map showing key features including the boundary of the 1000
contiguous acres; public roads, streams and rights-of-way on or
bordering property, occupied dwellings on adjacent property, and
the points of access from public roads that are to be used by hunters
and guests.
(4) Issuance of Permits.
(a) A permit to hunt deer with dogs will only be issued for an
eligible tract under the following conditions:
1. No more than one permit may be issued for an eligible tract for
the same period of time.
2. No more than one (1) annual or four (4) 2-day permits may be
issued for an eligible tract each year.
3. Complete permit applications must be received at least 30 days
prior to the first day for hunting deer with dogs on an eligible tract.
4. Applicants should not submit the application fee with the initial
application. The fee of $25 for a 2-day permit or $100 for an annual
permit must be received within 10 days after notification of permit
approval in order for the permit to become valid. A permit number
will be issued only after the Department receives this fee.
(b) The following occurrences shall be a violation of this Chapter:
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-2
1. Entry into or exit from, the permitted property for any purpose
other than points of access from public roads marked on the
application map without the express written permission of the
adjacent landowner upon whose land entry or exit is made. The
express written permission of the adjacent landowner or a copy
thereof must be carried on the person making the entry or exit.
2. Failure to control hunting dogs to keep them on the permitted
property.
3. Interference with the right of any person to freely and in an
unrestricted manner, travel any public road or stream transecting or
bordering the permitted property.
(c) Based on the factors set forth in subparagraph (b) above, a
permit shall contain limitations or conditions on the following:
1. All hunters authorized under the permit must insure that all dogs
used in hunting deer remain on the permitted property at all times.
2. Permittee, hunters, and guests may not enter upon properties not
covered under the permit while hunting or retrieving hunting dogs
without the express written permission of the landowner. The
express written permission of the adjacent landowner or a copy
thereof must be carried on the person making the entry or exit.
3. All permittees, hunters, and guests must abide by all applicable
rules, regulations and laws governing hunting.
4. Any person not included on the membership list provided with
the application for the permit and hunting under the authority of the
permit shall be considered a guest of the permittee and must possess
written permission on his or her person from the permittee.
(5) Hunting Deer with Dogs on Permitted Tracts.
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-
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(a) The owner of any dog that is used for hunting deer must cause
such dog to be identified at all times during the hunt with the
owner’s name and permit number for the tract being hunted;
(b) Any person operating a motor vehicle used in conducting a deer
hunt with dogs shall during such hunt clearly display in the lower
corner of the driver’s side of the front or rear windshield of such
motor vehicle a decal or card showing the tract permit number in
numerals not less than two inches high. Motor vehicles that lack
front or back windshields being used in conducting a deer hunt with
dogs shall during such hunt clearly display the tract permit number
in numerals not less than two inches high in a prominent and visible
location on the front or back of the vehicle.
(6) Expiration of Permit. The permit will expire on 30 June next
following the date the permit is issued or by the date specified,
whichever comes first.
(7) Violation of Permits. Violation of any of the terms and/or
conditions of a permit or of this Chapter, including the submission
of false information on said application, shall make said permit
invalid and deer hunters hunting under authority of that permit may
be considered to be hunting in violation of the Rules and
Regulations authorizing the hunting of deer with dogs.
( Revocation and Denial of Permits.
(a) The commissioner may take action against a permit as provided
in O.C.G.A §27-2-25 for violations of the provisions of O.C.G.A
Title 27 or of rules and regulations issued pursuant to O.C.G.A Title
27.
(b) For purposes of this Chapter only, a serious violation or habitual
violations of laws, rules and regulations or conditions of a permit
while engaged in deer hunting with dog activities on or
commencing from permitted tracts provide justification for
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-2
revocation and or denial of permitted activities.
(c) The Commissioner, pursuant to O.C.G.A §50-13-18(c)(1) may,
upon a finding that the public health, safety, or welfare imperatively
requires emergency action, incorporate such a finding into his order
and order a summary suspension of a permit pending proceedings
for revocation or other action, which proceeding shall be promptly
instituted and determined. Evidence of physical harm or threats of
physical harm to adjacent landowners, interference with the free and
unrestricted travel of public roads or streams, significant destruction
of the property of adjacent landowners or multiple violations of a
permit in a single season shall be sufficient for a finding that the
public health, safety, or welfare imperatively requires emergency
action.
(d) Revocation or denial of a permit shall be for an eligible
tract in its entirety, regardless of size and shall be in effect for a
period of up to two years.
Authority O.C.G.A. Title 27; O.C.G.A. §27-1-4 and §27-3-1

Lonice C. Barrett, Commissioner
David Waller, Director Georgia Department of Natural Resources
Wildlife Resources Division
2070 U.S. Highway 278, S.E., Social Circle, Georgia 30025
(770) 918-6400
June 30, 2003
MEMORANDUM
TO: INTERESTED PERSONS AND ORGANIZATIONS
FROM: DAVID WALLER (Signed)
SUBJECT: NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING
Notice is hereby given that, pursuant to authority contained in the Game and Fish Code
(Official Code of Georgia Annotated, Title 27; O.C.G.A. §27-1-4 and §27-3-17), the Board of
Natural Resources proposes to adopt Department of Natural Resources rules and regulations
governing permit requirements for the hunting of deer with dogs. The proposed regulation (copy
attached), when adopted, will adopt applicable rules of Chapter 391-4-17, regulating the hunting of
deer with dogs. The purpose of the proposed regulations is to develop rules and procedures for the
issuance of legislatively mandated permits for the hunting of deer with dogs.
Members of the general public will have an opportunity to provide input into the formulation
of these regulations at two Departmentally sponsored public hearings, scheduled at 7:00 p.m. on July
15, in Moultrie at the Spencefield Community Center, 290G Harper Blvd.; and on July 17, in
Statesboro at the Statesboro High School gymnasium, 10 Lester Road. Following the hearings, the
Board of Natural Resources will consider the proposed rules and any comments received in the
hearing process on Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 10:00 a.m. at 2 Martin Luther King Jr. Drive,
Suite 1252, Atlanta, Ga. Draft regulations may be obtained from Game Management Section offices
in Albany, Brunswick, Fitzgerald and Social Circle or on the Internet at
www.gohuntgeorgia.com.
Any participant at the hearing may present data, make a statement or comment, or offer a
viewpoint or argument, either orally or in writing. Statements should be concise to permit everyone
an opportunity to speak. Participants in the hearing are required to register on arrival and to notify
the registering official of their intent to give a statement. Those unable to attend the hearings may
submit written statements, before close of business on August 11, 2003. Such statements should be
mailed to: Department of Natural Resources, Wildlife Resources Division, Game Management
Section, 2070 U.S. Highway 278, S.E., Social Circle, Georgia, 30025.
Please bring this notice to the attention of your acquaintances that may be interested in this
matter. These meetings are physically accessible to people with disabilities. Requests for sign
language interpretation or other auxiliary aids should be directed to Dan Forster at the above address
by July 9, 2003.
/df
Attachment: Proposed Regulations
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-2
SYNOPSIS OF PROPOSED RULE “391-4-2-.17”
AN AMMENDMENT TO RULES FOR HUNTING REGULATIONS, CHAPTER 391-4-2
Rule 391-4-2-.17, relating to “Hunting Deer With Dogs” is being proposed for
adoption.
Purpose: This year, Georgia’s General Assembly passed House Bill 815
that required landowners and lessees to obtain a permit issued by
the Department of Natural prior to hunting deer with dogs. These
proposed changes include adoption of new rules numbered 391-4-
17 entitled “Hunting Deer with Dogs”. The purpose of the
proposed regulations is to develop rules and procedures for the
issuance and revocation of legislatively mandated permits for the
hunting of deer with dogs.
Main Features: Proposed rules establish application procedures for obtaining a
permit to hunt deer with dogs that require application submission
at least 30 days prior to the first eligible day of hunting deer with
dogs, a list of authorized hunters, printed name and signatures of
all persons owning any portion of the tract of real property being
submitted, a written description of tract boundaries and a map
showing key features and related information. The proposed rules
also define eligible tracts to include those tracts of real property
that contain a minimum of 1000 contiguous acres, whereby
“contiguous” means a single unit of land that may include
multiple ownerships and may be transected by public roads,
creeks, rivers, or rights-of-way of any public service corporation.
These rules establish guidelines that address access to and from
the permitted property, containing deer hunting dogs on the
permitted property and interference with free travel on public
roads and streams transecting the permitted property. Special
permit conditions also prescribe posting requirements of the
permit number to be displayed on vehicles and dogs used during
hunting activities, requires written authorization from the
permittee for participating guest hunters and prohibits the
retrieval or entering of adjacent landowner’s property without
express written permission.
Permittees, hunters and guests must abide by all applicable
hunting rules, regulations and laws governing hunting and may
be subject to permit revocation or denial for submission of
false information on the permit application, for serious
violations or habitual violations of laws, rules and regulations
or conditions of a deer hunting with dog permit.
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RULES
OF
GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES
CHAPTER 391-4-2
HUNTING REGULATIONS
TABLE OF CONTENTS
391-4-2-.17 Hunting Deer With Dogs. Adopted.
391-4-2-.17 Hunting Deer With Dogs. Adopted.
(1) Permit Requirements. An owner or owners of such tracts of land
or lessee of deer hunting rights for such tracts desiring to hunt deer
with dogs may do so only if said owner or lessee shall have first
applied for and been issued a permit by the Wildlife Resources
Division of the Department of Natural Resources. The hunting of
deer with dogs subsequent to the receipt of said permit shall be
strictly in accordance with the conditions of that permit and shall be
authorized only during times and locations as described in 391-4-2-
.26(6).
(2) Definitions. As used in these Rules and Regulations, the
following terms are defined as follows:
(a) “Contiguous acres” means a single unit of land described on an
application for a permit to hunt deer with dogs that may include
multiple ownerships and may be transected by public roads, creeks,
rivers, or rights-of-way of any public service corporation.
(b) “Eligible tracts” are those tracts of real property that contain a
minimum of 1000 contiguous acres; provided, however, that any
eligible tract or any part thereof which was included in an
application for a permit pursuant to this Chapter which has been the
subject of a revocation or non-renewal pursuant to O.C.G.A. §27-2-
Hunting Regulations Chapter 391-4-2
25 shall not be eligible for inclusion in any subsequent application
for a permit for a period up to 2 years regardless of a change in the
name or membership of the applicant until the expiration period of
revocation or non-renewal.
(c) “Hunting deer with dogs” shall include the act of placing,
releasing or in any other manner causing or procuring the cause of
dog(s) to be, or attempting to be, in the pursuit of running, trailing
or baying deer, whether such act results in a taking or attempted
taking or not. Once the owner of the dog(s), his agents, or
permittees place, release or otherwise cause dog(s) to be in the
pursuit of running, trailing or baying deer, then the owner, his
agents or permittees shall be deemed to be “hunting deer with dogs”
until such time that the dog owner, his agents or permittees have
regained physical possession and control of the dog(s), or the dog(s)
have otherwise ceased in the pursuit or attempted pursuit of
running, trailing or baying deer.
(3) Application for Permit.
(a) The applicant must be the landowner and lessee of deer hunting
rights, if applicable, for the tract of land being considered for a
permit.
(b) An application must be on a form provided by the Department.
Completed forms must include:
1. Name, social security number or federal identification number if
the applicant is a corporation or other entity, address and telephone
number of applicant;
2. List of hunters who are allowed to hunt on the permitted
property;
3. Printed name and signatures of all persons owning any portion of
the tract of real property or an authorized agent thereof. Copies of
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notarized leases with wording authorizing the use of dogs for
hunting deer may substitute for respective signatures on the
application form;
4. A written description of the tract boundaries and associated
acreage. Acceptable documents are limited to certified plats,
recorded deeds, surveys, tax maps or notarized leases;
5. A map showing key features including the boundary of the 1000
contiguous acres; public roads, streams and rights-of-way on or
bordering property, occupied dwellings on adjacent property, and
the points of access from public roads that are to be used by hunters
and guests.
(4) Issuance of Permits.
(a) A permit to hunt deer with dogs will only be issued for an
eligible tract under the following conditions:
1. No more than one permit may be issued for an eligible tract for
the same period of time.
2. No more than one (1) annual or four (4) 2-day permits may be
issued for an eligible tract each year.
3. Complete permit applications must be received at least 30 days
prior to the first day for hunting deer with dogs on an eligible tract.
4. Applicants should not submit the application fee with the initial
application. The fee of $25 for a 2-day permit or $100 for an annual
permit must be received within 10 days after notification of permit
approval in order for the permit to become valid. A permit number
will be issued only after the Department receives this fee.
(b) The following occurrences shall be a violation of this Chapter:
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1. Entry into or exit from, the permitted property for any purpose
other than points of access from public roads marked on the
application map without the express written permission of the
adjacent landowner upon whose land entry or exit is made. The
express written permission of the adjacent landowner or a copy
thereof must be carried on the person making the entry or exit.
2. Failure to control hunting dogs to keep them on the permitted
property.
3. Interference with the right of any person to freely and in an
unrestricted manner, travel any public road or stream transecting or
bordering the permitted property.
(c) Based on the factors set forth in subparagraph (b) above, a
permit shall contain limitations or conditions on the following:
1. All hunters authorized under the permit must insure that all dogs
used in hunting deer remain on the permitted property at all times.
2. Permittee, hunters, and guests may not enter upon properties not
covered under the permit while hunting or retrieving hunting dogs
without the express written permission of the landowner. The
express written permission of the adjacent landowner or a copy
thereof must be carried on the person making the entry or exit.
3. All permittees, hunters, and guests must abide by all applicable
rules, regulations and laws governing hunting.
4. Any person not included on the membership list provided with
the application for the permit and hunting under the authority of the
permit shall be considered a guest of the permittee and must possess
written permission on his or her person from the permittee.
(5) Hunting Deer with Dogs on Permitted Tracts.
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(a) The owner of any dog that is used for hunting deer must cause
such dog to be identified at all times during the hunt with the
owner’s name and permit number for the tract being hunted;
(b) Any person operating a motor vehicle used in conducting a deer
hunt with dogs shall during such hunt clearly display in the lower
corner of the driver’s side of the front or rear windshield of such
motor vehicle a decal or card showing the tract permit number in
numerals not less than two inches high. Motor vehicles that lack
front or back windshields being used in conducting a deer hunt with
dogs shall during such hunt clearly display the tract permit number
in numerals not less than two inches high in a prominent and visible
location on the front or back of the vehicle.
(6) Expiration of Permit. The permit will expire on 30 June next
following the date the permit is issued or by the date specified,
whichever comes first.
(7) Violation of Permits. Violation of any of the terms and/or
conditions of a permit or of this Chapter, including the submission
of false information on said application, shall make said permit
invalid and deer hunters hunting under authority of that permit may
be considered to be hunting in violation of the Rules and
Regulations authorizing the hunting of deer with dogs.
( Revocation and Denial of Permits.
(a) The commissioner may take action against a permit as provided
in O.C.G.A §27-2-25 for violations of the provisions of O.C.G.A
Title 27 or of rules and regulations issued pursuant to O.C.G.A Title
27.
(b) For purposes of this Chapter only, a serious violation or habitual
violations of laws, rules and regulations or conditions of a permit
while engaged in deer hunting with dog activities on or
commencing from permitted tracts provide justification for
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revocation and or denial of permitted activities.
(c) The Commissioner, pursuant to O.C.G.A §50-13-18(c)(1) may,
upon a finding that the public health, safety, or welfare imperatively
requires emergency action, incorporate such a finding into his order
and order a summary suspension of a permit pending proceedings
for revocation or other action, which proceeding shall be promptly
instituted and determined. Evidence of physical harm or threats of
physical harm to adjacent landowners, interference with the free and
unrestricted travel of public roads or streams, significant destruction
of the property of adjacent landowners or multiple violations of a
permit in a single season shall be sufficient for a finding that the
public health, safety, or welfare imperatively requires emergency
action.
(d) Revocation or denial of a permit shall be for an eligible
tract in its entirety, regardless of size and shall be in effect for a
period of up to two years.
Authority O.C.G.A. Title 27; O.C.G.A. §27-1-4 and §27-3-1



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Old 12-29-2006 | 09:34 PM
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Default RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out

NEW, on your question about the coyotes. I can't speak for everyone's situation, but I have had no experience with coyotes affecting the deer hunting in any way. Coyotes usually hunt smaller animals. They will eat the road kill deer, but sometimes they won't even touch them. I'm sure there is some effect on the baby fawns, but that doesn't seem to be a problem, either.

When I was younger, a lot of people ran coyotes with trail hounds and greyhounds, but as time passed, more and more people ran cattle and a lot of those people got tired of dogs running through their cattle. The coyotes would run right through a bunch of cattle and the cattle would ignore them, but when the dogs came through, the cattle weren't used to them and they would haul ass. Now the coyote hunting with dogs has almost completely stopped.
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