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RE: Elitist attitude
Double Creek Everything you said about crossbows can be said of compounds. " Be a Two Season Hunter " - remember that ? Who coined it and why ? There was a time when bowhunting was recurves and longbows. If you wanted to hunt that season, learn how to use one. Somehow, compounds were allowed in, and now its their season, and they're fighting to not have the same thing happen to them as they did to trad archery. Ironic, isn't it ? I personally think the mechanical release is what launches compounds into a category all its own..... The compound itself isnt really the problem, its all that goes with it that makes shooting it so easy.... A compound shooting 230 fps with a finger release isnt all that much different than a recurve... Its when you bump it up to 300fps with a mechanical release that changes the game drastically..... As I've discussed with you, I myself may be going back to the compound this season due to some shoulder problems... I have no issues with that.... I realize its an easier weapon to master than my recurve... I can live with that.... But you can still keep the challenge alive while shooting a compound.... |
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ORIGINAL: Big Duane :D Truth is, VERY difficult and different or you'd be shooting one ! You don't have to validate whay I questioned, because I know the answer. I've been there and done that. You'll find you need to shoot your compound a week or two prior to archery season beginning to dust off the cobwebs, and your inches groups will be right where they were last year. Very littledifference. As you bowhunt more, you'll learn to draw as the animal is coming in, holding until it gives you the shot you want, using your sights and triggered release. You'll feel like anything within 30-40 yards of your stand you can kill anytime you wish - you're that accurate with your bow. I have found I need to shoot my compound every day if the weather permits (I can only shoot outside) so, trust me, no cobwebs to dust off. The deer I killed this year, my first bow kill, was at 13 yds. I drew when he was at 14 yds as he passed behind a tree. I could have killed two others at 10 yds and 15 yds. I am already accurate at 50 yds but my hunting range is limited to 25 yds. If I wanted to shoot something at 30-40 yds I would just use my shotgun. You make a lot of assumptions based on your reasons for compound bowhunting and assign them to all compound bowhunters. Fact is you don't know the answer, you just know your answers and think they are everyone's answers ;). If I were to do the same thing then I would assume that yes, while theremay bea desire for more challenge (you can do that just by imposing limitations on your current hunting methods) it is more a desire to achieve a different hunting aesthetic, to try and hunt in a way more in tune with the prey and the surrounding forest. But, based on what you have said, that isn't why you bowhunt, is it? For me, I do not think the "end" of a hunt should be with a hugeexplosion and smoke with a shot at an animal that is far away. I want it to be more personal with less gadgets (why I am looking into recurves and longbows). If I wanted my hunting to be easy I would just stick with a gun. Why would I even pick up a bow to begin with? If you need to boost your self-esteem by thinking thatthe manner in whichyou hunt is more difficult and therefore makes you a "better hunter" than others, that's fine. But to assume everyone else needs to be validated that way is a bit of a stretch. And to change the hunting seasons based on that is even more of a stretch. But it does make you an elitist LOL ;). |
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To anyone opposing xbows during archery season. What would you think of a special xbow only season (1 or 2 weeks prior to bow season)?
And if something like that ever happened would you start hunting with one to gain the extra hunting time? Just curious. |
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allowing crossbows would be the same thing then wouldn't it ? We've not seen that in Arkansas, I don't hink Ohio has seen it, Canadian provinces haven't seen it ....... why do you think it'd be that big a deal ? Again, we don't have that in Arkansas, why would it magically appear in Mississippi if crossbows were legal ? you really see a crossbow the same as a rifle don't you ? Gunpower, bullets or not, you see them as the same ? The crossbow in your hand ..... it will not make you a better hunter. in the end, you'r saying you want to restrict whats allowed in archery season. About the same arguments made for crossbows could be made for side-hammer flintlock muzzleloaders. Primitive, lots of limitations, heavy, noisy, limited range, etc. etc. etc.--anyone pitching a fit to have these allowed in archery season? Why not? Easy--because it's not a bow! That point keeps getting ignored, sidestepped, walked over........."I say a crossbow is a bow, so........" and that's the extent of it, then on to how it's not really any easier, better, etc. etc. etc. That isn't the point. Chad |
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While I understand(does not mean agree)the argument about the xbow not having to be drawn I just can't help wondering....
If a crossbow is not a bow, what is it?? |
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IMO, it's a bow-plus. I look at it like this: you install the compents to make a AR-15 into a M-16 (semi-auto to full auto), you no longer have just a rifle. You still have the same basic parts as you had when it was a semi-auto, but you have added parts that will no longer keep it in the same category as just another rifle.
Although the appearance, ammunition, range, etc. hasn't changed, you still have to get a different license, you can't use the full auto for hunting, etc. etc. etc. because once you add those certain parts you have put the weapon in a different category. Chad |
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ORIGINAL: LBR IMO, it's a bow-plus. I look at it like this: you install the compents to make a AR-15 into a M-16 (semi-auto to full auto), you no longer have just a rifle. You still have the same basic parts as you had when it was a semi-auto, but you have added parts that will no longer keep it in the same category as just another rifle. Although the appearance, ammunition, range, etc. hasn't changed, you still have to get a different license, you can't use the full auto for hunting, etc. etc. etc. because once you add those certain parts you have put the weapon in a different category. Chad |
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What I find most entertaining about the people who jump up and down screaming "its not a bow!!!" and claiming they are "bowhunters" and those that use crossbows are not is that quite a few of them end up with some form of dissability and have to end up using a crossbow or sit home and watch Tred Barta. These same people try to associate with their "bowhunting buddies" and get the cold shoulder because they are "no longer a "bow"hunter. ( Remeber...I sell these things...I have more practical experience and information than just about anyone on this thread..) This happens ALOT!! Funny how after they get snubbed by their own kind quite a few of them become big pro-crossbow advocates. They learn that all the propoganda about crossbows is crap and that...dare I say it....they are STILL BOWHUNTERS!!
The vast majority of "bow hunters" use compounds because they are easier...many of those same people used to shoot trad. You can jump up and down all you want and make assanine claims like "its not a bow" but ultimately quite a few of you will end up shooting one and the more people realize that it is "just a bow" they will continue to gain acceptance and eventually be allowed into archery season like they should be. There has been lots of talk about "drawing the line". It is very simple...put a weight limit on the bow (many states have this) or a speed limit on the arrow and make sure that the arrow is launced by a string attached to limbs that store energy that is transfered to the arrow (like the definition of a "bow" ) That will keep the explosive propelled arrows out of the picture, and manufacturers will not waste their time making 600lb draw crossbows is there is no market for them....problem solved. Still amazes me that with the declining ranks of archers and the growing age of people in this sport (the hunters education meetings in my state look like the old folks home on bingo night) that you "bowhunter organizations" still waste so much time and energy and money on the imagined threat of crossbows and not putthat effort were it should be going. It really is sad.... Wyvern |
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Just categorized differently because of some components. so why not hunt during the early season or if it makes you feel better give them their own season like bp/muzzleloader? As for giving them their own season, see my first post on page 40--first paragraph. Chad |
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"Nobody seems to have a problem understanding why you can't use a semi-auto in muzzleloader season, or a full auto in any season."
If you could load your semi automatic from the muzzle, in many states it would be legal....because of the definition that it is a "muzzleloader" (just like a crossbow is a "bow) The reason that full automatics are not allowed is that there is an uncontrolled burst of bullets as opposed to a slower rate of controlled (we hope anyway) shots. That puts a limit of what the weapon is capable of, notredefiningit as a weapon. Thisis no diferant than Maine having amaximum drawweight of a crossbow at 200lbs (which means that a 225lb Excalibur is illegal) It does not re-define the weapon, it puts a limit on it... I have no issue limiting poundage on crossbows, but they are still bowhunting and the above reason does not hold up to examination... Wyvern |
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