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Guys, I'm slipping further and further down the path to becoming a self-righteous Elitist traditionalist.

And I don't know if thats bad or good.

Part of me says let people shoot whatever they want. I'm from Arkansas, we've had legalized crossbows for 30+ years. We've got a 5 months season, good bag limits, they've never been a problem nor have compounds.

But the other part of me says all that technology isn't bowhunting. Its like playing the game of golf with mulligans, playing best ball or scrambles - you're sort of playing golf, but you're not REALLY playing golf, just a bastardized variation of it. Sure, its FUN, but until you play golf under the written and unwritten rules of it, its not really GOLF.

Anyway, I find myself seeing people who shoot compounds as being in a different sport almost. Truth is, there is very little in common with a compound shooter bowhunter and a traditional bowhunter.

I find myself going to www.tradgang.com more and more, because of the theme of the whole hunt.

I'm not there yet - but I can more and more understand the attitudes

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Trying to figure on how to answer this one, and I don't think I can.

I wouldn't deny there are differences in general, but I'd have a hard time calling myself elite or having an elite attitude. [:'(]

To me traditional is just more fun and the people that are shooting it seem to have an aweful good time doing so. It is alsomore demanding to be proficient, making the outcomes so much more worth it. The more you put in, the more you get out type of thing.

It also always seems to put more of the concentration on the actual shooting aspect instead of the "tinkering" aspect.

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Its bad if you are a jerk about it and down grade everyone on their chosen hunting practice. If you have a live and let live attitude, no problem pushing yourself.

This part of you is self-righteous and elitist . It can be turned on you. If you go with this attitude, you will find those who will say, "how hard is it to buy a bow and buy your arrows. If you are a true trad hunter, you will carve a self bow and draw your own shafts and nap your own flint and burn your own feathers". And since you do visit trad gang, you know there are many who do just that. I build my own bows, but dont nap flint. I even shoot my homemade bows with carbon shafts. So to some, im very traditional, and others Im not. Also, I still enjoy shooting my compound and my bought trad bows.


Ill agree, a compound is rather easy to shoot and be accurate with compared to trad bows. With that said, ease is a relative term. New shooters find compounds difficult at first. And trad shooters find their bows easy to shoot after lots of practice. It all depends on the time and effort one wants to pursue. Nothing wrong with any of it. The key is, Do what you enjoy. If you like pushing yourself, great, just dont push it on others and make yourself appear to be a jerk. I have only two other friend who bow hunt. My brother and a college buddy. All my other friends rifle hunt. I have no problem with their choice of weapons and enjoy every min. I spend with them. Be it with a trad bow, compound bow, or rifle.

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I do both pretty hardcore right now and there is ABSOLUTELY a difference between a compound and a traditional bow and what it takes to hunt successfully with one, no doubt about it. But also make no mistake compounds are still archery.
I see it every weekend at the league 3D shoots. There are some elite compound shooters who make it look EASY. Some who are good and then others who are darn happy making consistent kill shots at ranges where I am pounding x after x.

With a compound you still have to actually learn how to shoot, and probably the biggest thing that separates compounds from crossbows.............draw the bow at the moment of truth.
You still have to draw it back (regardless of let-off) and hold it up.
True you can hold it back longer but once that bow arm goes you have to let down and that depends on how strong the shooter is.
NEVER confuse it with a "bow" that is cocked and ready to go and can be rested on a shooting rail waiting for the right angle.

Bowhunting is pretty darn tough for even a majority of compound shooters, the traditional guys just seem to enjoy a little more of the "romance' of the sport and can be darn proficient in the process.

I do both, I LOVE both and feel no pull toward the elitest side at all.

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One other thing. Because I choose trad bows doesn’t make me better than those who don’t. It just means I like to spend more time learning and enjoy the pursuit of the stick bow. Some, or I should say many, do not care to pursue archery with the same passion I do. Does that make me better than them, No. Others just have things in their life they feel are more important to pursue. I would probably not want to pursue their chosen skill with the same passion. It’s all in what the individual likes. Life is all about choices. You choose to pursue what brings enjoyment and allocate time to your hobbies in accordance.

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I don't have an elitist attitude. I'm just better than you and them. Yeah, in my dreams.:D

Seriously though, when it comes toequipment, shooting style and such things involving archery, the only person I'm really concerned about is myself. Of course, you've got to realize I don't claim to a traditional anything. I'm an archer and hunter that shoots a recurve or maybe a longbow or maybe a selfbow, depending on what's tweeking my fancy at that point in time. Shucks, I even still have a compound hanging around, though it does get very, verylittle use. Concerningmyself with what other folks are shooting and whether or not it's "traditional" is pretty much a waste of my time and energy.

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When I first started I had an elitist attitude. I think. But the longbow was a choice. And it has humbled me greatly.

It sure isn't as easy as most I see in the bowhunting section trys to make it out, but not as hard as some on tradgang makes it out to be.

It takes dedication as you all know. And I go thru spurts in the year, where I feel I don't have that dedication, and other time, I am all in it.

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is that a banket view ? meaning, what you hold yourslef to, do you also hold others to ?


burniegoeasily yep, you nailed my conflict, I know what you're saying. However, shooting an ACS with carbons is almost the same "shooting" as a self bow with cane shafts - a difference of FPS but other than that, the shooting remains the same doesn't it ?


Matt / PA look back at yourself over the past 5 years. Where you came from as a compound shooter, and where you are now. What you shoot now is dramtically more difficult than a compound. I've bet you $$ you could pick up anyones compound right now, and within minutes shoot better at 50 yards than you can with your stick bow at 25 yards. Compounds are THAT much better, they're designed to be easy, and very shootable, thats why most bowhunters use them.

Which leads me to this thinking - is bowhunting suppose to be that easy ? Compounds are just a wee bit harder than crossbows, there is a solid argument that compounds are actually EASIER, because of their quietness, light mass weight and speeds all combines into one.

Is that what bowhunting is suppose to be ? Easy ? Why or why not ?

When comparing self bows to a Widow, you can still see its very similar. Compounds and crossbows are radically different. Like comparing an 1880's flintlock with loose powder, patches and balls with a 2008 TC Encore,stainless steel, plastic stock,pellets, shotgun primers and 3x12x55 leopuld scope - are they really both muzzleloaders ?


Why doesn't it ?

If you choose a more difficult path, shouldn't it be recognized as such ? Why shouldn't there be a hard line distinction between the difficulty in weapons used ? A compound bow and the hunting that comes from it is NOT the same accomplishments as a recurve/longbow hunt and the hunting that comes from it.

Its not, not one example can I think of that if you remove the compound and replace with a stick bow does the situation become much more difficult, and like you said, the rewards also increase.


Yes, I understand each persons own challenges - its not about that. Its about what is and isn't more difficult, about the continuing progress of technology to easier and better, and the affects it has on bowhunting as a whole.

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Another thought on this post. I would love to go all traditional only. But deer meat is basically all we eat all year. I have ate it my whole life. And it would freak me out, to know I might not be able to harvest 5-7 deer a year. And I know, I would not be able too with traditional if only by the limited range alone.

I really want to make a vow for trad only this year. I thought about just telling some thrill kill friends of mine who only like to kill, to just give me all thier deer.

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You're kidding me right?:eek:

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This is how I look at it all.

I enjoy what I do. I do it for the enjoyment and challenge. I do it to for myself and no one else. I dont care what others think. The bottom line, if you get pleasure from what you do, do it. Dont worry about peer approval or praise. If you get caught up in what others think, or what other do, you are wasting your time worrying and not doing. No need to put on self imposed stress.

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bigcountry thrill killing isnt hunting

BobCo19-65 its almost a universal true isn't it ? That the more you put into something the more you get out of it ?

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I enjoy what I do. I do it for the enjoyment and challenge. I do it to for myself and no one else. I dont care what others think. The bottom line, if you get pleasure from what you do, do it. Dont worry about peer approval or praise. If you get caught up in what others think, or what other do, you are wasting your time worrying and not doing. No need to put on self imposed stress.

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burniegoeasily I agree to a point. If someone want to hunt with an AR-15 with a 30- round clip, I don't guess that affects me one way or the other. However, its not nearly the accomplishment nor the "hunting" that shooting a deer with a bow, is it ?

Back to my muzzleloade analogy - do you think the new muzzleloader have breached what is and isn't a "traditional" season that was once muzzleloaders in a truer form ? Has Knight and TC and the others not taken their weapons beyond what most really consider "traditional muzzleloader" ?

I mean, 300 yard 2" groups, shooting mullets and high velocity, powder pellets, synthetic stocks, high optics mounted on top ..... is that REALLY what traditional muzzleloader season should be ?

According to your statement, awe what the hell, let 'em shoot what they want ....... right ?

But someone, somewhere dictates what is and isn't allowed. WHY and HOW do they come to their conclusion and based on what ? Its not totally based on harvest projections etc I can tell you that.

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Hmm, never said it was. I am talking about putting meat on my table. I can't control other people and what they do for fun. I have to live for me.

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Thats not what I meant. I assumed you understood this was under the constraints of this post, which I was assuming we were speaking about hunting tacktics within the bounds of legal hunting. With that correction to my statememt, I stick with my response.

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My question would be what gives you the right to hold another person to your standards? What does it matter what I shoot? Same thing with Bow hunters verses gun hunters. Just because someone decides not to do it the way that you do doesn't make them any less of a hunter or person than you or me.

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agreed

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Just wondering if you are addressing everyone or a specific person.

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We share some views but we're completely opposite on this quote......... If you think compounds are as easy or easier than a crossbow to use we've just parted ways. ;)

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bigcountry

I don't have a problem putting meat on tables. I wonder if Fred Bear or any of the archery legends ever tooks rifles out and killed game for their tables ? I know most as young men did.

Its not so much about controlling as it is ackowedgeing and drawing lines in the sand.


Maybe this all goes hand in hand with the canned hunting debates I've been having. It DOES matter in an all encompassing world of hunting. Its matters than people, in the name of hunting, enters a pen and shoots a tiger. I think it matters.

To a lesser degree, I think it also matters that a guy with a decked out compound takes a 425" 8x8 bull on a $50,000 NM Reservation hunt with a decked out compounds at 80 yards or whatever it is and that THAT is considered by all to be bowhunting.

Maybe I can't put it into words, but I think it matters

burniegoeasily

Are you a Democrat ? Do you believe that people should be allowed to do whatever they want to as long as it doesn't affect anyone else ?

Iwork with a guy that believes that. What he doesn't believe is that rarely does one persons actions NOT affect others. What do people do inevitably affect others.


Matt / PA its a very arguable assertation I can assure you. With a compound, you have a bow thats much quieter (jumpy little whitetails), lighter (can you imagine stalking a bedded mule deer with a crossbow or still hunting with one of them ?), and the downrange retention of energy in the arrows makes them equally if not more advantageous to long range shooting. Scopes really tip the balance on crossbows, remove them and I'd bet more can shoot compounds better. You can shoot multiple arrows using a compound (ever tried to cock a 225# crossbow in a treestand ?)

Compounds are the #1 choice of bowhunters - for a reason. I rarely see a crossbow hunter in Arkansas. Compounds dominate the bowhunting landscape here

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What in the hell are you talking about? I feel I was rather clear. Were the bounds not explained well enough? Legal limits. Where are you trying to take this pissing contest.




Actually, im all for only Black peoplegetting to hunt and can only use crossbows. That is once they have taken massive doses of prozac and oxycontin, and can only shoot an animal that is in a pin. And of course, they have to wash down their medication with whole milk and change the name of their pitbulls to Shaniqua, that is after watching hours video about child rearing as perfected by the Croc Hunter.:eek:

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So whats your point? What are saying? I said I don't kill for the thrill of the kill. Why are you posting this? Your not making much sense in this post.

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What crossbows are you relating too? For cryin out loud Bowtech makes one that does 405fps with a 425gr bolt. That's like 155ft lbs of KE. It's still carrying more at 100yds than my 70# compound does at point blank.
I know I SHOT them. I can hold almost 1" groups at 60 and 70yds with one. I couldn't DREAM of doing that with a compound.
Compounds are the #1 choice for bowhunters because compounds are ARCHERY. They are bows and considered BOWHUNTING. Hate to break it to you but the vast majority of bowhunters do not see crossbows as BOWHUNTING. That's why they use compound bows. Not because they feel it's a better killing tool. IT's NOT.
I am an honest elite level compound bow shooter, competitive on a national leveland I could never in a million years feel like I am at an advanatge with a compound bow vs a crossbow.
I've held the new crossbows, I've shot them........they almost feel UNFAIR.

Seriously. You can argue the point that compounds are so easy and THEY ARE EASIER THAN TRAD BOWS. but to even TRy to argue that they are as easy or easier than a crossbow is almost crazy.
I'm not guessing on this, I shoot them.

Compounds relate to archery, you draw, you anchor, you can use fingers if you so choose, you hold weight back and you either release the string or let the bow down.
You do all these with a traditional bow only you hold all the weight and most don't use sights.
Both are archery.

A crossbow held at full draw for 6hrs under 175# of force just waiting to launch a 425gr bolt at double the energy of my 70# compound while resting on a shooting stick or rail taking aim with rifle sights or a scope is NOT relatable to archery in any way other than the means to the end. An animal died by what amounts to an arrow with a broadhead tip.

My head isn't clouded up with any bias. I represent a company that sells compounds and crossbows and also choose to seriously shoot traditional bows. I can relate all 3 without making theoretical arguments. I USE all 3.

Traditional bows, obviously the toughest to master, require a great deal of skill to be truly proficient (NOBODY is gonna argue that point)

Compound bows, easier to master than a trad bow because of 2 things, let-off allowing the archer to take his time and aim while holding a lower weight, and the wide use of sighting systems. But do not confuse it for not being archery. Of course I can be more quickly proficient with a compound anyone can and that's just a given.

Crossbows, relate more closely to a gun........they are ready to fire at the flick of a safety, require NO practice or indiviudal tuning to be ready to go. I could sight one in and hand it to someone else and expect them to simply settle the crosshairs on the target and hit the same spot I could just like a rifle. You can't do that with a bow. You must tune the archer and the mechanics of shooting if you want to shoot at a higher level.
Many guys barely have time in a year to do this with a compound, to them good enough is GOOD ENOUGH.

You are preaching to guys here who most likely are at the upper end of archery, not the average Joe Bob with his $200-300 mid range compound and no desire to BE ELITEwho finds compound shooting as it relates to bowhunting plenty challenging enough already.[:-]

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Bigcountry
You should have told him about how Fred Bear got started. He was an avid gun hunter. He switched to bows for the challeng. I think stealthy is in his pissing mood and wants to argue about what ever comes to mind. When this name gets banned, what name do you think he will come back as?:D

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Well, I know he picked the name Big Duane because he wants to be like me. So he added Big in front of it. I know he is a telecom tech, so I will call him bigT1.

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burniegoeasily I have been reading a few books lately, I didn't realize how fractured the P&Y Club became with the intro of compounds. Many higher ups quit, they drew their lines in the sand, and decided that bowhunting didn't include all that high tech stuff.

Thus elitism was born, which isn't exactly the truth of it. There was no "traditional" archery until compounds. Do you realize until 40 years ago when you said " archery " recurves and longbows WERE archery.

Now, archery is compounds. Split now and given its own new name is what archery always has been, but called something different now.



Anyway, were "they" right in drawing a line ? Is tradgang "right" in that you can't discuss compounds over there ?

I'm leaning more and more to yeah, they ARE right.



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Matt / PA crossbows and compounds have come radical ways in the last 2 years I've ignored them then. My Dad has an Exocet 225 I think its called. Its a brute. Its worthless stalking, still hunting, shooting more than one shot, its loud, heavy etc.

I know the importance of crossbows. I know the bias compounds have towards them as well. I know exactly what you're saying about the equipment etc. But where we differ is that you CAN take an average, never had a bow inthier hands before and he/she will be shooting 3-4" group at 20 yards in 20 minutes.

Why ? Compounds are DESIGNED to do it. They are ultra precision instruments that are meant to be super easy to shoot. Every year they get more precision too, thats the way of the beast isn't it ?

Where does it end ? Some thought the 65% letoff rule would harnass the box that opened.

It didn't.

G&F rules and restrictions don't harness it either. Now ALL states allow mechanical releases. Most honor mechnical broadheads. Fiber optic sights. Greater than 65% letoffs.

All this was fought for, and lost, by those wanting bowhunting to stay without the technology.

When (not if) crossbows too are allowed in all general archery seasons, I assume everyone is going to welcome them with open arms, right ?

The same fight to keep what some consider non-bows out of archery season continues. The definitions of what is being fought on has changes from compounds to crossbows, but maybe you can see the correlation ?

Please, I've read much on Fred, I try to remember much about the man.



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No offence Matt, I have a great amount of respect for you but it has been proven to myself, by myself and by others that crossbow are easily less accurate than compounds, yes a shorter learning curve but none the less the compound has a greater potential. I will not read past this point(nothing to do with your post Matt) but the exclusion of a comparison of one tool to the other is really what I like about this particular section of HNI. There really was no comparision of what everyone here used. I own three compounds, five crossbows and a whole whack of trad bows. I never judged myself and that is what seems to be happening here. Those who truly think they are elite can go and you know what. I have no use for those who compare because comparing and judging is the root of jealousy. No one has a right to do such. That is the job of someone like St Peter. Those who do lay judgement obviously think they are on the same level. This thread is so out of character and I don't like it. This forum was the least judgemental of all that I've visited. Where has this forum gone to? Shame!
Matt, I will tell you one think about you Matt. You know volumes about compounds but you know nothing about crossbows. I will also tell you that your stellar character is lessened by your poisoned attitude towards a tool that you know know very little about. Someone in your postition here in this forum should be ashamed of yourself for parroting what you've heard and not what you know! You obviously have not shot a crossbow much, I think it's time to catch up to your words that you've spouted, go shoot a few crossbows for once in your life. Then speak from knowledge. I applogize for sounding harsh. But this forum has been soiled.
Edit, Sorry but Matt, you talk about the Bowtech crossbow. It is alomst considered to be poison to many crossbow hunters for many reasons. Hunters that use crossbows do not need nor do they want the crutch of a 400 ft/sec bow.

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As far as Compounds being more accurate they aren't they are just easier to shoot....you could put a properly tuned recurve in a machine and itMight shoot just as accurate as a compound....i dont see why it wouldnt.

perception of Accuracy varies from person to person.

the Average guy shoots2-3 inch groups at 30 with his compound...easy enuff on a bad day.

but you take a Pro with the same bow and hes driving tacks at 30-40 yards at a high percentage.....to him, the average guy whoshoots 3 inch groups at 30 is not very good.

to me "Traditonal" Bows (ones without sights), once you get Proficient, where you can draw/anchor/release ina time frameof under 3 seconds...
and hit your mark(say a 3 inch X) at 5-20 yards every time is a huge advantage over a compound at the 5-20 yard range. IMO....(wich is about every deer hunting situation i set up for, 20 and under yards. Almost all my spots are setup for15-20yards max....i have one that has a lane for 30 yards but imnot sure id takethat shotwith a compound even.

that speed of being able to Draw/anchor/release in a coouple seconds is a huge advantage especially during the rut when bucks dont stop very long for anything......Instinct is a huge advantage over sights in these situations.

your arm gets tired holding that 7 pound compound out....waiting for the shot.....you dont have that with trad....Draw/anchor/release... thearrowson targetbefore you know it, let alone the deer.

these are my opinions and experiences anyway....

Compound is a def advatage at longer range because its easier to be proficient at a longer range.

Muzzle loaders i think are a loophole for states that dont allow rifle hunting...go get a Muzzle loader...its got a lot longer range then your Shotty.

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What part about me representing a company that MAKES crossbows did you miss? LOL:D I have them I shoot them, and the ones we make at least will shoot CIRCLES........ABSOLUTE CIRCLES around me and my compound on my best day.

I know of what I speak, I shoot all 3. I hold no bias towards anyone or anything other than I truly feel that crossbows are not archery by MY OWN personal definition. I can take a Strker crossbow off a bench and literally destroy an entire batch of bolts in 2 groups. The ease of use is not just about the accuracy potential either, it's the completely relatable relation to a firearm. Take the safety off, put the crosshairs on teh target and shoot. If you can pull the trigger on a .22 rifle you can shoot a crossbow. The same cannot be said of compounds or traditional bows.
I'm not saying one is evil or anything, just that 2 are archery, one is shooting.

Just caught your edit........then you can try the one that does 350fps like all the other manufacturers.;).

I think you're getting a little carried away with your interpretation of what is going on here. I am relating MY EXPERIENCE with all listed equipment and how I feel they relate to archery and their place in the sport of BOWHUNTING. To me crossbows will never be BOWHUNTING. There's nothing wrong with that, just like there's nothing wrong with anyone thinking they do.
TO me they are not a bow, they are not hand drawn at the time of the shot and held or aimed like a conventional bow, nor do they need any fitting, tuning or training for an absolute never shot a thing in his life person to hit the bullseye with.

To me they relate too closely to a gun. The only difference is the bang is much softer and the projectile is not a bullet.

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Sorry Matt, I should have said hunt with a crossbow.
I am not alone, your thinking only puts the wedge between hunters even deeper. This kind of public information is Peta's perfect weapon.
If you really want to talk about how easy it is to shoot a crossbow accurately then don't you think we as hunters owe it to the animals we seek to use the most accurate, most foolproof tools available to reduce the possibility of an accident that may cause worse suffering than needed?
I must say that I really am surprised at this anti-crossbow attitude. Now this is not a back-handed attempt at insulting you but how do you feel about Bowtech getting into the crossbow market? This is not out of anything but curiosity.

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oh and by the way.....

I'm the Best there is....the best there was...and the best there ever will be!

hows that for attitude...:D;)

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A crossbow!
Matt, please understand that I am not upset. I would like to have an intellegent discussion. I feel you are more than intellegent enough have your views on crossbows softened, not turned but. I hope you are not upset as well.

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Are cane pole fisherman better than those who use the trusty zebco 33?.....I say yes! lmao

I read through this post and agree with everything said, except Big Duane's posts. He skirts questions and poisons the image of bowhunting just to give himself a pat on the back for using a different type bow. Big D, by your definition, a compound shooter who uses no sights and shoots fingers is a trad shooter, correct? Is that how you distinguish the two types of hunting, no sights and shooting fingers?

Matt/PA agreed 1000%. Crossbows arent bowhunting, just as gun hunting isn't. They are their own type of hunting. I don't see Rifle hunters griping about not being considered muzzleoader hunters.[:-]

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TEmbry, I respectfully disagree about crossbows not being bowhunting. It is the same position many had towards compounds years ago. Many who do not use a crossobw YET will change their tune when they are too old to pull back a compound, recurve etc and bow season comes around!
I certainly hope many here can agee to disagree and still be on a friendly basis.
It is truly amazing it took this long for this kind of discussion to come about and it says alot of good things about members here.

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definitely, people werent made to look at all things the same, that would be boring.

And I should have made it clear that I am in no way ANTI-crossbow. I think its great people hunt with them, and I would in a heartbeat if old age or injury got the best of me. IMO, people with injuries/age preventing one from using a regular bow SHOULD be allowed to use them during archery season.

For everyone else, they are separate in my eyes, just as rifles, muzzleloaders, shotguns, and pistols are all separate. Not worse, just different. I'll give someonea congrats for a kill regardless of the weapon used, i respect them all the same. I also understand the level of skill required to use each weapon efficiently. Not all "bows" are equally easy to become proficient with, same goes for rifles. Anyone tried hitting a cantelope at 400 yards with a small bore centerfire compared to plinking with a .22 at 20 yards? More skill is involved in the actual weapons, not the hunting.

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isnt that why many states outside of the disability thing are saying that people over the age of xx can huntwith a crossbow. wich is all the same being old is kindof like being disabled....

TE,

thanks for agreeing with me.....i really am the best.

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I don't think the older crowd should be considered disabled but when all of us here can no longer pull back a vert bow and we only use a crossbow will we hunt during bow season? If so will we all call it bow hunting? I think it's kind of interesting.

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Very well said! But will those who do turn to the crossbow call it bowhunting. I have used all maner of bows, rifles, shotguns and handguns for hunting. But the only thing I ever considered the hunting to be is hunting. No separation, no better than you attitude, just hunting. They all have their limits and pain in the but to be delt with. The biggest thing in common was that it was all good clean fun!

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I can say this when I'm old and gray and not able to pull my recurve back anymore, a ML will be the next thing in line, never a crossbow for me!!!;)

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If, wellI guess I should say when, I use a crossbow,I will call it Crossbow Hunting. Just the same asI sayMuzzleloader Hunting and not simply Rifle Hunting. IfI had a reason preventing me from using a bow, i wouldhope to use the crossbow during as many seasons as possible. I'd have to double check, but I am pretty sure someone meeting these requirements here in KY can use it during ANY legal hunting season...Itqualifies for rifle season as well as crossbow season and bow season, so long as you meet the requirements.

I'll leave it at that and quit littering the Trad boards.[8D] Heck, I don't even have aTradbow, yet.

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During bow season?