For a while about 20 years ago, I was shooting a longbow with arrows that were around 5.6 grains per pound and never had any problem with penetration. Of course, those arrows were full length 2419's and weighed 670 grains. I'll let you do the math.

It wasn't long after that I went to 55 pounds for all my traditional bows and used arrows around 560 grains for all my shooting. Since then, I've gone as low as 450 grains, but have never liked the way my bows feel with that arrow weight. If I had those same light arrows now, they'd be rigged with brass inserts and 200 grain points to get the weight up, and have the bonus of a big bump in FOC.

120 pounds. Wow.

teveBNY thats right were do you start traditional when Fred Bear was alive are before that with the native people. When fred was alive there were sights, releases ads,over draws,wood arrows, But in the earlyer Fred Bear years there was no aluminums or carbon arrows, no screw in points, vanes, take down bows, compounds bows and so on. Fred and people like him came up with things like that to make hunting better. How about using the pod to make every hit count and less game lost. Some in states at that time you could use it to reduce game lost in there state. Are should it be a little short bow that only shoots a arrow about 30 yard with a rock head and follow your game for days tell it's dead, boy you realy have got to be close or a long bow with wood arrow with a medal head, are a bone or a horn bow that pulls 150 lbs. I have always wanted to know were it starts. It must be after the compound with the thing I see people shooting with space age glues thats in there bows, fast recurves, carbon arrows, new carbon camo, tree stands, DB ground blinds, a new 4 wheel drive truck, 4wheelers on and on. If any thing I'm traditional been around shooting almost 45 year now. The compound has been around longer than I have shot archery. I have talk to Fred twice before he passed on and sat down and had a good talk with him about hunting and he told me some good hunting stories. Once I shoot a 75 lb long bow with tapperd wood arrow and I thought the penetration sucked on two of deer I took with it, only once did it penetrate really good as it shot a broken arrow through my hand.

What in the world are you talking about? As Isay again, your going to have to make that decision. You can't go your whole life living it for other peoples thoughts. I am just an internet poster. You shouldn't live and breath what people say off the internet begging them to make up your mind for you. Nothing personal about it. I just know you have been pushing high tech recurves for years now, because you shoot them and seem to need validated. You have been the first to jump up and yell when someone doesn't accept your bows as traditional. When honestly, you shouldn't need validated so much. I mean your a grown man.