teveBNY thats right were do you start traditional when Fred Bear was alive are before that with the native people. When fred was alive there were sights, releases ads,over draws,wood arrows, But in the earlyer Fred Bear years there was no aluminums or carbon arrows, no screw in points, vanes, take down bows, compounds bows and so on. Fred and people like him came up with things like that to make hunting better. How about using the pod to make every hit count and less game lost. Some in states at that time you could use it to reduce game lost in there state. Are should it be a little short bow that only shoots a arrow about 30 yard with a rock head and follow your game for days tell it's dead, boy you realy have got to be close or a long bow with wood arrow with a medal head, are a bone or a horn bow that pulls 150 lbs. I have always wanted to know were it starts. It must be after the compound with the thing I see people shooting with space age glues thats in there bows, fast recurves, carbon arrows, new carbon camo, tree stands, DB ground blinds, a new 4 wheel drive truck, 4wheelers on and on. If any thing I'm traditional been around shooting almost 45 year now. The compound has been around longer than I have shot archery. I have talk to Fred twice before he passed on and sat down and had a good talk with him about hunting and he told me some good hunting stories. Once I shoot a 75 lb long bow with tapperd wood arrow and I thought the penetration sucked on two of deer I took with it, only once did it penetrate really good as it shot a broken arrow through my hand.