Yea, 212 grain total weight almost seems impossible to do. Something seems wrong.

Too me, in my opinion, you want a compound with sights. Just my opinion.

I don't think a 420 gn arrow from a recurve is going to have much trajectory advantage over a 500 gn arrow. It's still going to drop out of the kill zone and wound the animal if the target is beyond 3 yards of your estimate, just like the 500 gn arrow will.

I really hate that version of pro light arrow reasoning anyway. It carries sort of an unethical taint to me, making us sound like we should take shots on game when we're not reasonably certain of the distance.

But, frankly, I'm not concerned about someone hunting with a 420 gn arrow. I've long preached that there should be a 400 gn minimum legal arrow weight for hunting. That goes double for traditional bows, where we're not pumping out gobs and gobs of KE. 420 grains is lighter than I'd use or recommend, but I'm not going to bust some else's chops for using it.

I have one - APA Black Mamba.
Gets about 10% of my hunting time and less then 5% of my shooting time.

In my opinion, the "might as well just shoot a compound" response when someone does not agree with your version of "THE" setup is more then a little weak.

You might try actually countering the points I made - show me how I am wrong and why I should change.

Steve

Back to the original question--even with 125 grain points, those arrows will be way too light for a 55# recurve--you will damage the bow, not to mention the increased noise and hand shock.

420 grain arrows are generally plenty heavy enough to pass through a deer (as long as you get everything else right), but I don't buy into the "lighter, flatter shooting, makes up for a yardage goof" argument. Here's why.

Just this past summer I was shooting with a friend at a tournament. He had one of those new whiz-bang-metal-riser-adjustable-everything-can-shoot-5gpp-no-problem recurves. He was shooting super light arrowsand that was his argument as well. With that ultra-fast setup, yardage estimation wasn't as crucial--or so he thought. He was probably getting 20-25 fps better speed than I was with my longbow and wood arrows--maybe more. He's a dang good shot too, within his range. Anyhow, some of the targets were a bit further than he was used to--further than I normally practice for too. I think he hit one out of a half dozen or so, the rest he shot under. I'm no Robin Hood, but I hit all of them.

Not exactly a controlled test, but plenty of proof (several shots worth) that even comparably super fast set-ups won't cover always cover even minor yardage estimation goofs.

I'm with Arthur here--if you aren't sure, don't shoot, and don't rely on gadgets to cover your shortcomings. Get out and practice--that works better than any gadget or gimmick.

Chad

Lets not get too technical, Way too light arrows vs easton xx75's

Id go with the aluminums!

Chad - what works for some does not for others.
I am not advocating light - just don't feel 8gr/lb is light - not for me - could be others.

I do go lighter for 3d - not to extend my range but to cover for the minor mistakes in unconcious yardage judging(my style) that happens every round.

I'm with you both as well - not sure means NO SHOT!

Steve

As I explained to you a few times when you were pimping DAS and thinking metal risers are traditional, your going to have to find your own way. There is nothing to gain on showing your where you are wrong.

8 gpp isn't "light" as far as the bow is concerned, and it wouldn't bother me to shoot 8gpp from my longbow ('course if I hunted with a 40# bow, I'd want an arrow that weighed a good bit more than 320 grains). If it works for you, I have no argument.

My point was simply that going lighter with arrow weight is not going to make a real difference in trajectory at reasonable hunting distances, but that's the argument that a lot of folks use. If you like it and it works for you, you don't need an excuse to justify it for others.

I like to discuss and debate the positives and negatives of different set-ups, but all to often things get thrown in that aren't relevant, and that can get folks that are just starting out going down the wrong path.

I wind up with arrows that are 9-10 gpp, simply because that's what my arrows weigh with a 125 grain point. They work great for me. I gave the experience with my friend so there would be no question of personal bias. My experience shooting lighter arrows had the same results--20-30 yards and in, light arrows made no noticeable difference in trajectory vs. moderate weight arrows. I'm sure there would be more of a difference in 6 gpp vs 15 gpp at a shorter distance, but there's not many folks that shoot that light, or that heavy, or at long distances.

Again, my main concern here is getting someone new to the sport accurate information. If you are shooting at targets at 80 meters, lighter arrows do offer an advantage. If you are shooting at a whitetail at 15 yards, they don't. If you are shooting at really big game, lighter arrows are a disadvantage, at least to every un-biased test report I've read.

Chad

Weaker still - obviously don't have an answer.
If you did, you would share - even if I am to dense or modern to get it, then you could at least educate those without your vast knowledge base and expertise.

And risers made in the style of what Fred Bear and others where making before the advent of compounds and before you aquired the title of "traditional decider" are not "traditional?
That's too funny. Can you point me to the source of your definition of "traditional"? I am newer then most whose opinions I value -have only been at recurves and longbows 8 years. I must have missed somewhere where the official definition.
Help me out - remember though, I am a relative newcomer and dense to boot.
But I have noticed in my short time, that most who have been at this much longer then us don't seem to worry much about definitions or what others shoot.

Steve

PS - I don't remember our exchange you refer too - either I was not impressed or I embarrased you?
Is that why you are making this personal?