TFOX:


As I said, several times; I know that the rear sight of a system using a front sight and rear sight will always be out of focus. So will the target be out of focus if you are bring the front sight into sharp focus… or reverse.

After you establish proper position of your draw-hand, and you now are ready to set the " peep" height to the level of your sighting eye, tell me, do you " scrunch" or tilt your head forward or backward when you set your " peep" height? I hope not. If you are using a " peep sight," the position of your draw-hand, and your sighting eye correctly positioned at the " peep sight" are now your COMPLETE anchor. Not just your hand position and not just the " peep sight."

And, yes, if your draw-hand is in position, but your head is tilted up or down -or is canted, you would have to adjust your head position (eye level). You surely would not want to tilt or cant the bow to bring the " peep" to your eye…unless you positively know the problem is in your bow hand or form. If you know your draw-hand is in proper position and your head is level, but the sight is out of position, then you know your string may have stretched, or your sight has moved, or there may be a mechanical problem.

I do not know positively what your problem is not being able to accurately shoot uphill or downhill with a rear sight, but I strongly suspect the problem is with your form when making those shots. You are not bending properly, therefore you are coming off your anchor. Even slightly off will hurt your accuracy. On the other hand, you may not be properly adjusting your POA to compensate for the change of in trajectory when making downhill and uphill shots.

As for this comment and belief, I do believe it explains quite a bit.

For one thing, your belief tends to confirm that too many of today' s bowhunters are taking the range and the 3D mentality and conditions to the field, and many are allowing what is done on the range to subordinate what they should be believing and doing under REAL conditions.

I do believe, if I hear one more time someone say; " But that is the gear I use for shooting 3D, and that is how I do it on the 3D course!" I will pull my hair out and go kick a foam 3D deer.[:@]

If you truly believe that it is the same, do not waste your money on a chest freezer.

You certainly live in your own little world!!!


Many , if not most archers carry their 3d experience into the field! The whole concept of 3d archery is practice for the real thing. The only trade-ins from 3d season to hunting season for myself and most of the guys on my 3d league are fixed pin sights (for those that use scopes) and a larger peep for low light conditions. Come August the majority of the hunters on our league have already switched to their hunting setup with another month of 3d league to go.

Start kicking your foam 3d deer!

BOWFAN:

Really! I missed something somewhere in my travels. I was always under the impression that 3D tournaments were primarily for competitive purposes in which each shooter tries to obtain the highest score possible by using particular gear best suited for tournament shooting ; and that any training and conditioning that can be applicable to real conditions, is a beneficial by-product.

So, what you are saying, is that when you shoot 3D courses; you use/wear all the bow/gear and clothing gear that you do when hunting, and all the actual hunting conditions are experienced, including inclement weather, when shooting at foam deer, paper pictures, standard targets, from tree-stands, and, therefore, shooting a 3D course totally prepares you for all actual hunting conditions.

Now, all you have to do is change your sight and peep size, and then everything is the same. Even to the point, that there is absolutely no difference between shooting at an immobile foam 3D deer on a range/course than shooting at a live deer under actual hunting conditions?

I do not know what you call that type of belief, I call it; reckless and pompous.

c903

I didn' t say I had a problem shooting uphill or downhill with a rear sight.I said there is a problem when NOT using a rear sight while shooting uphill and downhill.I was also stating that was without a kisser but for me a kisser is not needed and will decrease my accuracy.I do bend at the waist but with sight paralax being the way it is,there can be some slight problems when trying to sight without a rear sight on a downhill shot.A lot of practice is envolved for this and I am not going to worry about achieving that kind of shooting accuracy because that isn' t the equipment I use.When I speak of accuracy,I am talking extreme accuracy and not 6" circles at 30 yards.I am speaking of pinpoint accuracy.



As far as me moving when I draw my bow back.ABSOLUTELY NOT.I move the string to my face,not face to string.I set my hand in it' s anchor position and run the string across my face and the end of my nose.The peep will be in alignment with my eye,even if I close my eye when drawing and anchoring.Now when leaning way out or making extremely odd angle shots,a peep might be of some use as an anchor but those are exceptions to the rule.That does come into play when hunting and I understand that.But to say the peep is an anchoring device,that imo is a false statement.



3-d is a very good way to practice and is very realistic,with the exception that the target doesn' t move.The time to take a shot is different but you can practice taking quick shots at a 3-d tournament if you wish.No it doesn' t simulate every aspect of hunting but is the best and closest way to practice for hunting without actually hunting.Sure beats the heck out of shooting in the back yard at known distances and familiar targets.We can' t very well go stump shooting with the equipment we use today.All our arrows would be buried up in logs.[&:]


You seem to think that if you have to change a sight that you wasn' t practicing for hunting.That,s crazy.I once shot a 3-d tournament with a scope on my bow.I won that class.I went to the club house and 15 minutes later had the bow sighted in with pins and different arrows.(previous years setup so the pin gap was already established)I went out and shot the toughman course and won that.I proceeded to hunt with the same setup and killed deer with it.




Sure wish I had practiced all year with my hunting setup because I couldn' t have been succesfull otherwise.

Thats exactly what I' m saying!

We shoot in bad weather , 9 targets out of 28 are from elevated stands at least 15 ft high , and YES! You' d be surprised at how many guys are sweating their nuts off while wearing their full hunting clothes in 80 degree weather a month before the season opens! I shoot in the bowhunters class. The only restrictions are the length of stabilizer , the length of sight , and 2 power scope max.


Where did that come from? Exactly where did I say " there is no difference between shooting at an immobile foam 3d deer on a range/course than shooting at a live deer" ??? Is this a tactic you learned on the debate team? Trouble with using that here is everything I say is typed here for everyone to see!



You seem to be missing the most important part of practicing! consistancy or repitition! I practice my form to achieve consistancy shot after shot as should everyone! Shooting at 3d targets is good practice for the field! It' s alot different than shooting at a blue face or shooting spots. I believe that was the whole purpose behind the 3d target boom! So archers would have a life like animal without a bulls eye on it to shoot at.

I dont know either! Those were your words , not mine!

Enlighten us all on how you practice for hunting conditions.