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01-08-2009 | 03:42 PM

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FSUBIGMAC

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RE: Drop away rest question

TFOX beat me to it

. What he said. Don't get me wrong thought -- your accuracy is certainly goign to increase with the QAD compared to a biscuit just because there isn't any fletching contact. But like TFOX said the other stay in contact with the shaft longer. Not knocking on a WB cause I know you use them and I personally think they are awesome. If all the guns were gone and we had to take bows to war -- name one reason why you wouldn't want a WB on there?

01-08-2009 | 03:44 PM

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I have no clue why I just ranted about a WB -- brain fart sorry. Too many things going on up in there

01-08-2009 | 03:46 PM

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RE: Drop away rest question

1 other thing I forgot to mention,the whammy attaches to the up cable which means there is no torque or pressure on the cables at full draw.No way to mess with the tune or timing of the cams.

The limb driver attaches to the limb so,same thing applies.

01-08-2009 | 03:57 PM

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Because they stay in contact longer,which is more forgiving.

The absolute worst thing a rest can do is drop too early.The Whammy stays up longer than any other and the Limb Driver comes in a close second.

Add to that that the Whammy is a "soft" rest makes it even more forgiving.

Hmm, have to seriously disagree with you there. You think a old TM hunter is more forgiving? Especially to hand torque? As long as an arrow release is consistent, it techcially wouldn't make a difference. I know Limb driver advertises this great advantage of staying on longer, but that would mean the only benefit to a drop away is fletch clearance. Then we would be back to all of us using bodoodles again. Man, I miss that rest.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a know it all, and you might be right. But the huge selling point to drop aways was when an arrow is released and still on the string, it would flex and not contacting the rest was a good thing.

01-08-2009 | 04:34 PM

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RE: Drop away rest question

Disagree all you want,this IS how it is.

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A Golden Key or Platinum Premeir is still one of the most forgiving designs on the market as far as shooting goes,the problem with them is fletching clearance which robs forgiveness.The Whammy is basically a Golden Key that drops away AT the fletching,so,no contact issues.

The pros toe the line at Vegas with spring steel rest for 2 reasons,reliability(nothing to go wrong) and forgiveness.

Michael Braden was shooting a Limb driver this past year if my memory is correct.

AND,the Boddodle is absolutley one of the best rest EVER.

The ONLY advantage of a dropaway is fletching clearance,that is it.Full containment can be achieved by any type rest.

The Whammy gives all the advantages of the bodoodle and the golden key and still has fletching clearance.

some videos to consider

Whammy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TICGgfIRoJU

spring steel nNotice the paradox in this video,the rest is working overtime to keep the arrow going in the right direction instead of dropping when it needs guidance most)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDdAzw_vY0

Limb driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aQlWbvYDz4

prong style(looks a little too stiff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3s2Vq_ZnUo

drop away(watch the berger hole)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6UEXaEwZo

01-08-2009 | 08:24 PM

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We will just have to disagree. I have proved it time and time again. With a person who has a torqueing issue, or punches, a drop away will be more forgiving. Your comparing shooting champs to 98% of the shooting population. Apples to oranges comparison.

One has to ask themselves if they are a hunter, or a target shooter. Two entirely different things, and I see quite a few trying to do both. And not very good usually.

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Disagree all you want,this IS how it is.

01-08-2009 | 09:41 PM

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RE: Drop away rest question

BC i think you are right if you are considering a shooter in to play. IF there is no shooter involved, the long travel rests would be more accurate though. The shooter will make a difference, but taking out the shooter do you agree the longer travel is better?
Derek

01-08-2009 | 10:05 PM

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oranges comparisoWe will just have to disagree. I have proved it time and time again. With a person who has a torqueing issue, or punches, a drop away will be more forgiving. Your comparing shooting champs to 98% of the shooting population.

How have you done that?

If someone has torquing issues that bad,nothing is forgiving.BUT,the whole term "forgiving" is to mean,to shooter errors.

01-09-2009 | 05:43 AM

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How have you done that?

If someone has torquing issues that bad,nothing is forgiving.BUT,the whole term "forgiving" is to mean,to shooter errors.

I have tuned folks bows that wouldn't have thier shoulder down. Had punching problems, no follow thru, gripped thier bow. I would have a bow tuned well, with a TM hunter, or biscuit, they come and aregetting wild inconsistent tears on paper. I then have installed NAP drop aways', MZE, QAD's, ripcords, and thier shooting improved immediately. I can only tell someone they are overbowed so much and they have to keep thier shoulder down. No new shooter likes to hear that they cannot heal a bow and grip it with a deathgrip. Why? Because its comfortable for them with such high wieght draw.

I have read all the articles on spot hogg, read many more on forgiving setups. I just happen to think they are marketing to different folks.

01-09-2009 | 05:48 AM

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BC i think you are right if you are considering a shooter in to play. IF there is no shooter involved, the long travel rests would be more accurate though. The shooter will make a difference, but taking out the shooter do you agree the longer travel is better?
Derek

Oh, guaranteed, if you put two bows on a hooter shooter long distance, a well tuned spring rest will be much more accurate than say a QAD. But a hooter shooter doesn't push the bow to the left after a shot, a hooter shooter doesn't creep, or move the string so slightly away from his face at the shot.

And these flaws show up on experienced shooters too espeically in a hunting sitsuation. Not everyone will be taking deer in a field from the ground with perfect stance. They might be on a 15X15" platform swung all the way around a tree.

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