If I may jump into this conversation.

I have always been under the impression that drop away rests are more forgiving because they drop out of the way and there is less time for the shooter to impart any torque on the arrow. This meaning the rest contacts the arrow for say...the first 10 inches or so, then drops out of the way and allows the arrow to flex as it wishes. The 10" comment is just for example, I have no idea how long a typical rest contacts the arrow until falling out of the way.

With a traditional, prong style rest, the arrow is in contact the entire time. Any torque imparted by the shooter will show up. Yes, the prong tension is there to flex as the arrow flexes across it.

TFOX, so what you're saying is that drop aways really are to no advantage besides fletching clearance? I believe you can obtain fletching clearence with almost any prong style rest. I agree though, that you can use more radical helicals, and larger fletching with a drop away that you most likely won't get away with with a fixed rest.

I think for hunting purposes, where form is not perfect, drop aways are a very good solution. Especially with some of the full containment options out there.

TFOX, I know you're a Whammy advocate. I've been looking for a new rest for hunting. My only worry with that rest is containment. How do the prongs do as far as containment?

They could have contact issues due to their bad form as well.Bullet holes or a better tear doesn't equate to shooting better.

And I agree the tm hunter rest is junk.

Remember,the Whammy and LB are both drop aways,they just do it better.IMO

I can lay my bow on it's side and the arrow not fall out of the prongs.

Some have issues setting the Whammy up,I haven't so that may or may not be an issue.To me it is simple.I hear the LB is absolutely one of the easiest to set up,never set one up so I can't say for sure but it looks like it would be.

YES IT DOES,one of the biggest advantages of a Hooter shooter imo.Creep tuning made easy.


There are a couple things I want to bring up and then I am going to back out.Remember,when you torque a bow the issue that one has is at the string.This is where the most movement occurs(why deflex is more forgiving than reflex) when this happens with a drop away(that drops too early) the arrow is in contact with the string but no quidance on the front side,and it is basically getting slammed sideways on the back end and left to do what ever at the front end.The string is traveling sideways when torque is applied and not toward the target.So the back end is trying to pass the front end.


When you still have guidance on the front end,the arrow is't being pushed as far sideways because you have 2 points of contact instead of 1.This is the basic jist of the whole argument.

Another thing that was clear in the springsteel video was when there is excessive paradox.The rest will aid in keeping the arrow on path.As long as the rest is soft,it is a help,if not soft,it can be a problem.


Some dropaways are definately better than others.The video I showed shows why you don't want a rest dropping too early .You can see the arrow dropping with the rest,this is a real problem if your bow does not have level nock travel.

I like a few dropaways,like the Trophy Taker.They can be tuned and timed so they do not fall too early.I am not trying to keep anyone from using a fallaway,just don't be looking for the ones that claim they fall faster than the others.My experience with the QAD is limited so I will refrain from comment on it.

When I mean creep, I am trying to compare a joe smoe who doesn't do it consistently. Sure you can short draw on a machine, I am just trying to explain, in the real world, with real hunting situations, a hooter shooter cannot mimic that.

As us trad archers know, paradox is a good thing for us to get around a shelf. And long as its consistent, it doesn't matter. Thats why its so critical in trad archery shooting off shelf that you have consistent finger release.

I will agree to disagree on this one. One thing that is consistent in every video you showed was the bow didn't move after the shot. This is the critical part to the argument. Real life shooting by 90% of the shooting population, this is not the case. Apples to oranges. But thanksforthe discussion.

I know,I was actually coming back just to point that out.


Traditional shooters also need a much closer spine match to ensure this paradox is perfect.

The bow not moving after the shot is definately a major issue in accuracy.

Well, I guess I am going to have to try a whammy out. I will let you know what I find.

This is for muzzy

laying on the floor

TFOX, thanks for the insight on arrow guidance and such with drop aways. That makes sense to me.

Also, thanks for the pics of your Whammy setup. That rest almost looks perfect for my tastes. I already shoot a Hogg-it sight, might as well compliment it with a rest too.

Have you had any issues with this rest coming out of time? I've read somewhere that people have encountered issues with this. I'm guessing it's improper setup.

Also, how is the noise level with this rest?

The rest has never come out of time for me,but I guess over time with considerable cable stretch,it could happen but if it gets to that point,you have other issues.Might be a setup issue.



It is a very quiet rest,as long as you put mole skin on the prongs,it doesn't have that smack associated with most fallways.