2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
10-30-2002, 08:11 PM
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Fork Horn
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2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
What prices have any of you seen for the 2003 Hoyt Supertec? I shot one today, along with a Razortec. To me the new spiral cam & 1/2 that is on the supertec was a smoother drawing cam than the new cam & 1/2 that is on the razortec. I spiral cam is suppose to be the speed cam which I would have thought would be harsher?? Anyone else shoot both cams on the new 2003's?? What were your opinions? Anyhow.....I ordered a supertec! Bow shop owner shot the supertec with his heaviest hunting clothes on and even with a brace height of 6" had no trouble with string slap on clothes. So I hope to hunt and shoot 3-D with this bow.
10-31-2002, 05:32 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
Bloodtrail,
My first thought after reading your post was "Were both bows set to the same draw weight?"
In my limited experience with both cams so far I would say that the major difference isn't necessarily the draw cycle itself. It is somewhat different mind you but I think the major difference between the two is the valley. The Spiral cam has literally no valley even at 65% letoff. With the draw stop peg removed it is somewhat closer to the Cam and a half but not much.
My biggest concern is what you mentioned in your last few sentences...string slap on heavy hunting clothes. I must admit that I am tempted to order a Supertec at a 30 inch draw length and then remove the draw stop peg...but I would be too concerned that the string would slap some of my heavier winter garments.
As for prices......I think a figure of $670 is not too far off for most shops.
My first thought after reading your post was "Were both bows set to the same draw weight?"
In my limited experience with both cams so far I would say that the major difference isn't necessarily the draw cycle itself. It is somewhat different mind you but I think the major difference between the two is the valley. The Spiral cam has literally no valley even at 65% letoff. With the draw stop peg removed it is somewhat closer to the Cam and a half but not much.
My biggest concern is what you mentioned in your last few sentences...string slap on heavy hunting clothes. I must admit that I am tempted to order a Supertec at a 30 inch draw length and then remove the draw stop peg...but I would be too concerned that the string would slap some of my heavier winter garments.
As for prices......I think a figure of $670 is not too far off for most shops.
10-31-2002, 06:21 AM
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Fork Horn
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
Pabowhntr:My local shop is claiming that they sell for $799.00! I have found thru a thread on the bowsite that others are finding them for around the $670.00-700.00 price tag! I may have to ask my shop why so high!? So in your opinion your not that impressed with the spiral cam? Yes..Both bows I shot were set at 60# and I noticed with the cam & 1/2 a "hump" at abouts 3/4 draw that you had to get over to get to full draw. Where as the spiral seemed smooth all the way back! In fact the shop typically is a Mathews shop and they have always pushed Mathews hard. But the shop owner and his employee(both big Mathews shooters)are so impressed with the supertec that they are going to shoot them this year and both feel the draw is smoother than the mathews legacy they "were" so pumped up about only months back!! I shoot a cybertec with versa now and really like that bow, but thought the spiral cam was smoother drawing than the versa!? The brace height is the only thing I wonder about as far as hunting. But I think I may go to the shop today again at lunch and bring a HEAVY hunting jacket along and see if there is any problem!? Shop owner tried it and said he had no trouble. And the bow I shot was a 29" draw which is a inch longer than I ordered and overdrawing I didnt have any trouble with string slap on the arm. Do I sound like Im trying to talk myself into this bow!!!! Just leary of selling the cybertec and getting the supertec and realizing I miss my cybertec!!!!
10-31-2002, 07:11 AM
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
Bloodtrail1: As I stated on another forum, and I think it is worth repeating here, you got a good price if you are getting good PRO Shop service. A while back I posted what a good PRO Shop should be offering. You'll have to be the judge on the value of the service you get now and for the life of the bow.
I have to charge a little more in my shop because of the extensive service and guarantees that we offer. We also offer better pricing to customers if they don't need our services; but, most are very willing to pay that little extra. Most find that they get much more for their money by paying up front.
I have to charge a little more in my shop because of the extensive service and guarantees that we offer. We also offer better pricing to customers if they don't need our services; but, most are very willing to pay that little extra. Most find that they get much more for their money by paying up front.
10-31-2002, 07:13 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
BT,
I did not notice the "hump" you spoke of on the standard Cam and a half. I thought it was rather smooth...? did you shoot a 65% or 75% version? the 75% version should have amkore noticeable drop into the valley versus a cam w/ lower letoff.
The Spiral I personally was not impressed with for the most part. As Frank said, even at the highest letoff setting the valley was extremely short...normally a characteristic I don't mind..but even the Spiral was too short for me.
I have heard a complaint (re: the standard Cam and a half)that it is not particularly efficient at shorter draw lengths compared to last years V-cam, but that is only based on one individual I know, so take it with a grain of salt.
I think the new system is a needed improvement for Hoyt's line overall.
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I did not notice the "hump" you spoke of on the standard Cam and a half. I thought it was rather smooth...? did you shoot a 65% or 75% version? the 75% version should have amkore noticeable drop into the valley versus a cam w/ lower letoff.
The Spiral I personally was not impressed with for the most part. As Frank said, even at the highest letoff setting the valley was extremely short...normally a characteristic I don't mind..but even the Spiral was too short for me.
I have heard a complaint (re: the standard Cam and a half)that it is not particularly efficient at shorter draw lengths compared to last years V-cam, but that is only based on one individual I know, so take it with a grain of salt.
I think the new system is a needed improvement for Hoyt's line overall.
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10-31-2002, 08:06 AM
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
I shot both the razortec and a supertec the other night. I gotta admit, I was really impressed, especially with the supertec. It had the spiral cam on it, and I absolutely loved the draw cycle. It was silky smooth with not much valley, just the way I like it. I thought it was real similar to my BK2 in that regard. I prefered the spiral cam's draw cycle to the cam and 1/2, but I don't know what the cam & 1/2 letoff was set at.
I also couldn't believe how quiet the bow was, for being a burner.
Frank, get in to the pro shop with your "winter garments" on and shoot one. I think you're going to find that it's not a problem.
All in all, I liked both bows, but I really liked the supertec. But not quite enough to cancel my order for my DC Patriot. If I had the $$ to buy two new bows, the supertec would be the #2 choice.
Rod
I also couldn't believe how quiet the bow was, for being a burner.
Frank, get in to the pro shop with your "winter garments" on and shoot one. I think you're going to find that it's not a problem.
All in all, I liked both bows, but I really liked the supertec. But not quite enough to cancel my order for my DC Patriot. If I had the $$ to buy two new bows, the supertec would be the #2 choice.
Rod
10-31-2002, 08:11 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
Bloodtrail,
Both Len and Jeff bring up some good points to consider. For one, the markups on bows are going to vary from area to area and it definitely does matter in terms of the type of shop you are getting the bow from. Places like Len's (if there are any others like Len's..
) provide more than just the equipment. They also provide the knowledge on how to set it up correctly and then offer the facilities to try it out. They also provide you with the confidence that they can further assist you with any type of problem that you might experience down the proverbial road. That type of service does usually add on to the price tag but for many folks it is not only a valuable option but a necessity if they are going to be able to effectively utilize their choice of equipment.
As for what Jeff stated...I have not experienced the "hump" as you described it either. But, I have not fully experimented with the cam yet at this point. It is possible that a person might experience a different feel for the Cam and a Half depending on where the cam is set in relation to the range of draw length adjustment available.
I will share one bit of info with you though that might surprise some. Each of the Razortec's that I shot this year felt different different to me in terms of the draw cycle. The first Razortec felt like it had more of a valley...the newer one doesn't have that same feel. I can't explain it yet.
As for the Supertec...yes, I am somewhat interested in it. If it shoots as accurately as the Darton Maverick (same brace height, similar cam system) then it deserves a hard look. Again, my biggest concern would be with heavier hunting clothes. I usually wear a Cabelas Revolution Fleece Insulated Pullover for the late season temps...and though not excessively bulky, it still isn't an early season jacket either. Maybe I should take the jacked down to the local shop and shoot the Supertec with it on. That would probably be the only way of knowing....
...so definitely go through with your "experiment" and let the rest of us know what you find.
Both Len and Jeff bring up some good points to consider. For one, the markups on bows are going to vary from area to area and it definitely does matter in terms of the type of shop you are getting the bow from. Places like Len's (if there are any others like Len's..
) provide more than just the equipment. They also provide the knowledge on how to set it up correctly and then offer the facilities to try it out. They also provide you with the confidence that they can further assist you with any type of problem that you might experience down the proverbial road. That type of service does usually add on to the price tag but for many folks it is not only a valuable option but a necessity if they are going to be able to effectively utilize their choice of equipment.As for what Jeff stated...I have not experienced the "hump" as you described it either. But, I have not fully experimented with the cam yet at this point. It is possible that a person might experience a different feel for the Cam and a Half depending on where the cam is set in relation to the range of draw length adjustment available.
I will share one bit of info with you though that might surprise some. Each of the Razortec's that I shot this year felt different different to me in terms of the draw cycle. The first Razortec felt like it had more of a valley...the newer one doesn't have that same feel. I can't explain it yet.
As for the Supertec...yes, I am somewhat interested in it. If it shoots as accurately as the Darton Maverick (same brace height, similar cam system) then it deserves a hard look. Again, my biggest concern would be with heavier hunting clothes. I usually wear a Cabelas Revolution Fleece Insulated Pullover for the late season temps...and though not excessively bulky, it still isn't an early season jacket either. Maybe I should take the jacked down to the local shop and shoot the Supertec with it on. That would probably be the only way of knowing....
...so definitely go through with your "experiment" and let the rest of us know what you find.
10-31-2002, 12:03 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
Shot the supertec again with a heavy coat and NO problem with that! BUT...Changed my order from the supertec to a razortec! Had them set the razor to a shorter draw to see if the cam 1/2 would draw smoother. And it did! It draws a tad smoother than the spiral, plus I like the valley in the cam 1/2 way better than the ZERO valley the spiral cam has! Plus the 75% letoff is alot nicer to hold, than the 65% on the spiral! Razor draws easier than my cybertec versa cam and is a faster bow with abit more brace height to boot! Only wish they had a cybertec in so that I could compare cyber to razor, but I really liked the razortec once it was setup to more fit me than it was yesterday! Cant wait to get it now!
10-31-2002, 01:54 PM
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RE: 2003 Hoyt Supertec Questions
There you go, BT. You had a PRO Shop that was willing to work with you to ascertain that you got the product that best met your needs. That's got to be worth something in and of itself.