What do you think is the all around best sporting dog?
07-05-2010 | 02:18 PM
#31
Nontypical Buck
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From: York, PA.
I would love if someone can show me actual video of a lab working a field, scenting a bird and pointing that bird especially if that lab can see the bird moving around in front of it and it holds point with nothing between the dog and the bird such as briars or brush that would keep the dog from trying to flush it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEOU...eature=related
here is another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuBv...eature=related
Here is another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSa23...eature=related
Last edited by J Pike; 07-05-2010 at 02:27 PM.
07-05-2010 | 02:23 PM
#33
Typical Buck
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From: Central PA
I wasn't bashing you Jeff and I will take you up on that offer. I just posted what I have seen in my own experience with so called pointing labs. Your's may be the one that proves me wrong, and when that happens I will be the first to post I have seen a lab doing a true point.
The Hunt tests are not a realistic scenario especially if you hunt in Pa like we do. What the hunt tests do however is give you opportunity to hunt your dog on new grounds and on game that state regs would not allow on lands without the permits. I like running Gunner in them because I can see how my dog compares to a standard set as what some would consider ideal in a pointing dog. Plus I get to hunt with other breeds that otherwise I would have never seen hunt. All the requirements set by AKC is what I expect out of my dog anyway and what he does in front of judges is what I have him do in the field. I want him to find birds, be stylish in pointing, obey all my commands, be steady to shot so he don't get shot by someone else, not bust another dog's point, retrieve the birds he was the first to point and not go instantly chasing after the birds he didn't point. I HATE hunting with guys who say their dog is trained and is a great dog then you see it trying to bust the birds my dog points and retrieve those birds after they drop.
In those tests you will come across that and if your dog is trained to keep his bearing and do what he was trained to do in spite of what another dog does it proves my abilities as a trainer.
AKC Hunt Tests aren't perfect, no testing system is. And yes they are only ribbons and a meaningless title to some but it gives dog owners something to work toward and in the end the dog is a better hunting companion for the tests he has the ability to pass. With no short term goals such as JR, then Sr and then Master there wouldn't be the motivation for some to better the breed they own. By participating in different testing systems you have generational proof that the pup you may be looking at buying comes from actual hunting lines and hasn't had the hunt and intelligence bred out of them as in some breeds where the importance is placed on how pretty the dog is no matter if it is less intelligent and has no desire to hunt as it originally had been bred for.
This doesn't mean you have to run a dog in tests to make it a great hunting dog it just means you can prove it by documentation as well as in the field.
The Hunt tests are not a realistic scenario especially if you hunt in Pa like we do. What the hunt tests do however is give you opportunity to hunt your dog on new grounds and on game that state regs would not allow on lands without the permits. I like running Gunner in them because I can see how my dog compares to a standard set as what some would consider ideal in a pointing dog. Plus I get to hunt with other breeds that otherwise I would have never seen hunt. All the requirements set by AKC is what I expect out of my dog anyway and what he does in front of judges is what I have him do in the field. I want him to find birds, be stylish in pointing, obey all my commands, be steady to shot so he don't get shot by someone else, not bust another dog's point, retrieve the birds he was the first to point and not go instantly chasing after the birds he didn't point. I HATE hunting with guys who say their dog is trained and is a great dog then you see it trying to bust the birds my dog points and retrieve those birds after they drop.
In those tests you will come across that and if your dog is trained to keep his bearing and do what he was trained to do in spite of what another dog does it proves my abilities as a trainer.
AKC Hunt Tests aren't perfect, no testing system is. And yes they are only ribbons and a meaningless title to some but it gives dog owners something to work toward and in the end the dog is a better hunting companion for the tests he has the ability to pass. With no short term goals such as JR, then Sr and then Master there wouldn't be the motivation for some to better the breed they own. By participating in different testing systems you have generational proof that the pup you may be looking at buying comes from actual hunting lines and hasn't had the hunt and intelligence bred out of them as in some breeds where the importance is placed on how pretty the dog is no matter if it is less intelligent and has no desire to hunt as it originally had been bred for.
This doesn't mean you have to run a dog in tests to make it a great hunting dog it just means you can prove it by documentation as well as in the field.
07-05-2010 | 02:25 PM
#34
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Here you go. (half to watch entire video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEOU...eature=related
here is another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuBv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEOU...eature=related
here is another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuBv...eature=related
thats kewlll......my fav song too..
07-05-2010 | 02:30 PM
#35
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Apr 2003
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From: York, PA.
I wasn't bashing you Jeff and I will take you up on that offer. I just posted what I have seen in my own experience with so called pointing labs. Your's may be the one that proves me wrong, and when that happens I will be the first to post I have seen a lab doing a true point.
The Hunt tests are not a realistic scenario especially if you hunt in Pa like we do. What the hunt tests do however is give you opportunity to hunt your dog on new grounds and on game that state regs would not allow on lands without the permits. I like running Gunner in them because I can see how my dog compares to a standard set as what some would consider ideal in a pointing dog. Plus I get to hunt with other breeds that otherwise I would have never seen hunt. All the requirements set by AKC is what I expect out of my dog anyway and what he does in front of judges is what I have him do in the field. I want him to find birds, be stylish in pointing, obey all my commands, be steady to shot so he don't get shot by someone else, not bust another dog's point, retrieve the birds he was the first to point and not go instantly chasing after the birds he didn't point. I HATE hunting with guys who say their dog is trained and is a great dog then you see it trying to bust the birds my dog points and retrieve those birds after they drop.
In those tests you will come across that and if your dog is trained to keep his bearing and do what he was trained to do in spite of what another dog does it proves my abilities as a trainer.
AKC Hunt Tests aren't perfect, no testing system is. And yes they are only ribbons and a meaningless title to some but it gives dog owners something to work toward and in the end the dog is a better hunting companion for the tests he has the ability to pass. With no short term goals such as JR, then Sr and then Master there wouldn't be the motivation for some to better the breed they own. By participating in different testing systems you have generational proof that the pup you may be looking at buying comes from actual hunting lines and hasn't had the hunt and intelligence bred out of them as in some breeds where the importance is placed on how pretty the dog is no matter if it is less intelligent and has no desire to hunt as it originally had been bred for.
This doesn't mean you have to run a dog in tests to make it a great hunting dog it just means you can prove it by documentation as well as in the field.
The Hunt tests are not a realistic scenario especially if you hunt in Pa like we do. What the hunt tests do however is give you opportunity to hunt your dog on new grounds and on game that state regs would not allow on lands without the permits. I like running Gunner in them because I can see how my dog compares to a standard set as what some would consider ideal in a pointing dog. Plus I get to hunt with other breeds that otherwise I would have never seen hunt. All the requirements set by AKC is what I expect out of my dog anyway and what he does in front of judges is what I have him do in the field. I want him to find birds, be stylish in pointing, obey all my commands, be steady to shot so he don't get shot by someone else, not bust another dog's point, retrieve the birds he was the first to point and not go instantly chasing after the birds he didn't point. I HATE hunting with guys who say their dog is trained and is a great dog then you see it trying to bust the birds my dog points and retrieve those birds after they drop.
In those tests you will come across that and if your dog is trained to keep his bearing and do what he was trained to do in spite of what another dog does it proves my abilities as a trainer.
AKC Hunt Tests aren't perfect, no testing system is. And yes they are only ribbons and a meaningless title to some but it gives dog owners something to work toward and in the end the dog is a better hunting companion for the tests he has the ability to pass. With no short term goals such as JR, then Sr and then Master there wouldn't be the motivation for some to better the breed they own. By participating in different testing systems you have generational proof that the pup you may be looking at buying comes from actual hunting lines and hasn't had the hunt and intelligence bred out of them as in some breeds where the importance is placed on how pretty the dog is no matter if it is less intelligent and has no desire to hunt as it originally had been bred for.
This doesn't mean you have to run a dog in tests to make it a great hunting dog it just means you can prove it by documentation as well as in the field.
If I thought that I wouldnt have re- invited ya!!
Pike
07-05-2010 | 02:31 PM
#36
Nontypical Buck
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From: York, PA.
07-05-2010 | 02:53 PM
#37
Typical Buck
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From: Central PA
Here you go. (half to watch entire video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEOU...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEOU...eature=related
here is another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuBv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuBv...eature=related
Here is another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSa23...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSa23...eature=related
is at the end but the dog isn't in a locked Point, it is in a position to spring onto whatever it is in front of him, this isn't a true point.I'll have to see your dog in action.
Last edited by 4evrhtn; 07-05-2010 at 03:00 PM.
07-05-2010 | 03:02 PM
#38
Typical Buck
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From: Central PA
07-06-2010 | 05:04 PM
#40
Fork Horn
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From: Tennessee
Pike, I had to laugh at this one. We were in the yard cleaning up today and my wife left her broom on the patio. Our lab chewed it up. I told her, putting a soft rubber broom handle in front of her is like putting a steak in front of a hungry fat dude. when it comes to labs, they chew. I still think they are the best all around dog. It is the only one I hear of people using to hunt what other dogs only specialize in.