Virginia Dog Hunting
02-10-2008 | 03:47 PM
#111
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
I've heard over and over from dog hunters that their form of the sport adds to the local and state economy sooooo muucchh that it just couldn't be eliminated. Well, well. Just read Pokieman's reply and you'll see where the state and county government's will now have to spend money on more animal control officers to police the dog crowd!!! It's gonna be cheaper to do away with dog hunting in the end, just a matter of time. Timber companies know it, state legislatures know it, and all taxpayers will soon know it! Hurrah. Gone real soon.
02-10-2008 | 05:40 PM
#112
Fork Horn
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
ORIGINAL: rick64
Good post.
ORIGINAL: Hokieman
If a landowner has a problem with a dog, all he has to do is call the animal controler to come out and set traps to catch the dog, If the dog has any indentification on them, The animal controler will contact the owner and advise how to get the dog out of impound. If landowners has multiple complaints from the same dogs or person action will be taken, but I believe catching the dogs and informing the owners that this is private and posted land and using the codes of virginia will pursuade any more attempts from them to hunt unethically.
ORIGINAL: rick64
Derick what is this in refrence to? Take the time to explain your post, when you just cut and paste it's nothing but spam.
ORIGINAL: Hokieman
§ 3.1-796.104. Position of animal control officer created.
The governing body of each county or city shall, or each town may, appoint an officer to be known as the animal control officer who shall have the power to enforce this chapter, all ordinances enacted pursuant to this chapter and all laws for the protection of domestic animals. The governing body may also appoint one or more deputy animal control officers to assist the animal control officer in the performance of his duties. Animal control officers and deputy animal control officers shall have a knowledge of the animal control and protection laws of Virginia which they are required to enforce. When in uniform or upon displaying a badge or other credentials of office, animal control officers and deputy animal control officers shall have the power to issue a summons or obtain a felony warrant as necessary, providing the execution of such warrant shall be carried out by any law-enforcement officer as defined in § 9.1-101, to any person found in the act of violating any such law or any ordinance enacted pursuant to such law of the locality in which the animal control officer or deputy animal control officer is appointed. The animal control officer and the deputy animal control officers shall be paid as the governing body of each locality shall prescribe.
Any locality in which an animal control officer or deputy animal control officers have been appointed may contract with one or more additional localities for enforcement of animal protection and control laws by the animal control officers or deputy animal control officers. Any such contract may provide that the locality employing the animal control officer or deputy animal control officers shall be reimbursed a portion of the salary and expenses of the animal control officer or deputy animal control officers.
Every locality employing an animal control officer shall submit to the State Veterinarian, on a form provided by him, information concerning the employment and training status of the animal control officers employed by the locality. The State Veterinarian may require that the locality notify him of any change in such information.
(1984, cc. 254, 492, § 29-213.73; 1987, c. 488; 1998, c. 817; 2003, c. 804; 2004, c. 181.)
§ 3.1-796.104. Position of animal control officer created.
The governing body of each county or city shall, or each town may, appoint an officer to be known as the animal control officer who shall have the power to enforce this chapter, all ordinances enacted pursuant to this chapter and all laws for the protection of domestic animals. The governing body may also appoint one or more deputy animal control officers to assist the animal control officer in the performance of his duties. Animal control officers and deputy animal control officers shall have a knowledge of the animal control and protection laws of Virginia which they are required to enforce. When in uniform or upon displaying a badge or other credentials of office, animal control officers and deputy animal control officers shall have the power to issue a summons or obtain a felony warrant as necessary, providing the execution of such warrant shall be carried out by any law-enforcement officer as defined in § 9.1-101, to any person found in the act of violating any such law or any ordinance enacted pursuant to such law of the locality in which the animal control officer or deputy animal control officer is appointed. The animal control officer and the deputy animal control officers shall be paid as the governing body of each locality shall prescribe.
Any locality in which an animal control officer or deputy animal control officers have been appointed may contract with one or more additional localities for enforcement of animal protection and control laws by the animal control officers or deputy animal control officers. Any such contract may provide that the locality employing the animal control officer or deputy animal control officers shall be reimbursed a portion of the salary and expenses of the animal control officer or deputy animal control officers.
Every locality employing an animal control officer shall submit to the State Veterinarian, on a form provided by him, information concerning the employment and training status of the animal control officers employed by the locality. The State Veterinarian may require that the locality notify him of any change in such information.
(1984, cc. 254, 492, § 29-213.73; 1987, c. 488; 1998, c. 817; 2003, c. 804; 2004, c. 181.)
The whole chasing deer and stating they're chasing foxes which are legal is what 90% of the out of season running complaints are about. Trying to say a solution suddenly exists is pure BS. Move on people it's not illegal and no AC is going to come trap dogs chasing white tailed foxes.
02-19-2008 | 06:23 AM
#113
Fork Horn
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
Commonwealth Sportsmens Alliance PAC
ORIGINAL: huntwalkers
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD Undercoverrednek!
6 VOTES that's EXACTLY how many VHDA is trying to get the legislators to take away from the Governors appointees with house bill # 1352.
They think they can buy thier way into control of DGIF?? I certainly hope that everyone contacts the legislators that signed on to this bill& recieved the$250 campaign donation!!
LET THEM KNOW - WE WILL REMEMBER NEXT ELECTION!!!
You can go to: http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/
and type in Commonwealth Sportsmens Alliance PAC
LOOK AT THE QUARTERLY REPORTS and you can see what hunt clubs have been supporting this Va Hunting Dog Alliance & what politicians they are trying to pay off...OOPS! I mean DONATE too.
huntwalkers
JUST because they have a hound dog, That DON'T make them a Houndsman!
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD Undercoverrednek!
6 VOTES that's EXACTLY how many VHDA is trying to get the legislators to take away from the Governors appointees with house bill # 1352.
They think they can buy thier way into control of DGIF?? I certainly hope that everyone contacts the legislators that signed on to this bill& recieved the$250 campaign donation!!
LET THEM KNOW - WE WILL REMEMBER NEXT ELECTION!!!
You can go to: http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/
and type in Commonwealth Sportsmens Alliance PAC
LOOK AT THE QUARTERLY REPORTS and you can see what hunt clubs have been supporting this Va Hunting Dog Alliance & what politicians they are trying to pay off...OOPS! I mean DONATE too.
huntwalkers
JUST because they have a hound dog, That DON'T make them a Houndsman!
Just noticed something. Look at the bottom of every VHDA page. Says paid for by Commonwealth Sportsmens Alliance PAC how about that? Solicitation of funds under the guise of protecting all hunters but any donations are going to a different group bent on their own agenda. Same bunch wanting to change the VDGIF board.
02-19-2008 | 11:39 AM
#114
Fork Horn
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
I guess you missed this link.
http://vahda.org/about.htm
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance is a Committee of autonomous organizations and individuals working in conjunction with the Commonwealth Sportsmen’s Alliance, Inc. a Virginia Political Action Committee registered with the Virginia State Board of Elections. All expenditures and receipts of the organization are reported in accordance with the Code of Virginia (Law). Financial reports are made quarterly and may be viewed at the State Board of Elections web site.
http://vahda.org/about.htm
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance is a Committee of autonomous organizations and individuals working in conjunction with the Commonwealth Sportsmen’s Alliance, Inc. a Virginia Political Action Committee registered with the Virginia State Board of Elections. All expenditures and receipts of the organization are reported in accordance with the Code of Virginia (Law). Financial reports are made quarterly and may be viewed at the State Board of Elections web site.
02-19-2008 | 03:40 PM
#116
Fork Horn
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
ORIGINAL: deerdogdude
Why dont you 2 kiss and make up? I have never seen 2 hunters bicker back and forth like u2 have. lol Just kidding I enjoy both of your points of views, on most subjects.
Why dont you 2 kiss and make up? I have never seen 2 hunters bicker back and forth like u2 have. lol Just kidding I enjoy both of your points of views, on most subjects.
HM I didn't miss the part. Another half truth for you. The vice chair of VHDA is the director of the sportsman group. Also if VHDA is taking funds in don't they need a license of some sorts to manage funds in a political org? This is almost a laundering of funds of sorts. VHDA doesn't come up as a corporation at the VA SCC site. Nor does VHDA show up on the SCC as a subsidy or affiliated with CSA. So to me it seems they came up with the "different" way to get funds into a political PAC without saying exactly where they're going. I'll know more after a few phone calls tomorrow. I like the not tax deductible part too.
02-19-2008 | 03:54 PM
#117
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
Gee I think I know their agenda. They are aligned with Falwell's Moral Majority.
This is off their website.
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance has adopted a position opposing hunting on Sunday Hunting for many reasons. It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our
membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper.
1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is
reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. "Remember the Sabbath day
by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.1 We also recognize that
the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
2. We believe that all can use a day of rest. It is a time to recover and reflect.
You may look for lost dogs or game animals, declared by the law to be
hunting, but the retrieval of lost sheep is consistent with the gospel. We
believe that the hunted also benefit from the day of rest.
3. We believe landowners want a day to rest. To enjoy the quiet of their
property, absent their guests of the rest of the week, no matter how welcome
they may be at other times. Sunday is a day of reflection.
4. We believe that even the most supportive families would benefit from this
positive statement of family values.
5. Other outdoor users appreciate a day to themselves. Without this day, they
may turn against the selfish hunters who demand hunting on Sunday and place
all hunting at risk. Remember all hunting is not done on large private tracts.
6. Virginia has the most generous limits on deer kill of any state in the nation.
No hunter, no matter how they plead otherwise, is so deprived as not to be
able to find an opportunity to hunt during the long seasons. We acknowledge
that some of our number have a limited number of vacation days, but believe
that resulting public opinion would inescapably be negative, and give antihunters
a big hammer to bludgeon us with.
7. Modern wildlife management bases its hunting seasons on range carrying
capacities, species reproductive rates and mortality rates. One significant
factor in determining any hunting season is the number of animals harvested
by hunters. The number of animals harvested by hunters is determined by
man-days a field times the success rate. Most studies have shown that
typically 40% of total man-hours of hunting occur on Saturday. The addition
of Sunday would be certain to require the eventual adjustment of the seasons
for most if not all species that are hunted. This would result in the eventual
shortening of the hunting season.
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance acknowledges that hunters are coming to Virginia
from other areas having Sunday hunting. Many areas allow other practices that have also
long been against the law in Virginia such as hunting over bait and hunting big game
animals in small enclosures. We see no reason to support hunting on Sunday in the
Commonwealth of Virginia at this time.
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This is off their website.
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance has adopted a position opposing hunting on Sunday Hunting for many reasons. It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our
membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper.
1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is
reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. "Remember the Sabbath day
by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.1 We also recognize that
the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
2. We believe that all can use a day of rest. It is a time to recover and reflect.
You may look for lost dogs or game animals, declared by the law to be
hunting, but the retrieval of lost sheep is consistent with the gospel. We
believe that the hunted also benefit from the day of rest.
3. We believe landowners want a day to rest. To enjoy the quiet of their
property, absent their guests of the rest of the week, no matter how welcome
they may be at other times. Sunday is a day of reflection.
4. We believe that even the most supportive families would benefit from this
positive statement of family values.
5. Other outdoor users appreciate a day to themselves. Without this day, they
may turn against the selfish hunters who demand hunting on Sunday and place
all hunting at risk. Remember all hunting is not done on large private tracts.
6. Virginia has the most generous limits on deer kill of any state in the nation.
No hunter, no matter how they plead otherwise, is so deprived as not to be
able to find an opportunity to hunt during the long seasons. We acknowledge
that some of our number have a limited number of vacation days, but believe
that resulting public opinion would inescapably be negative, and give antihunters
a big hammer to bludgeon us with.
7. Modern wildlife management bases its hunting seasons on range carrying
capacities, species reproductive rates and mortality rates. One significant
factor in determining any hunting season is the number of animals harvested
by hunters. The number of animals harvested by hunters is determined by
man-days a field times the success rate. Most studies have shown that
typically 40% of total man-hours of hunting occur on Saturday. The addition
of Sunday would be certain to require the eventual adjustment of the seasons
for most if not all species that are hunted. This would result in the eventual
shortening of the hunting season.
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance acknowledges that hunters are coming to Virginia
from other areas having Sunday hunting. Many areas allow other practices that have also
long been against the law in Virginia such as hunting over bait and hunting big game
animals in small enclosures. We see no reason to support hunting on Sunday in the
Commonwealth of Virginia at this time.
1 http://70030.netministry.com/apps/ar...&columnid=3803[/align]
02-20-2008 | 06:18 AM
#118
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
#1...What if i go to church on Saturday night , can`t i hunt on Sunday?....Can`t i hunt after church on Sunday?...Would God forgive me if i have to work on Sunday to pay the bills?...or should i quit my job just so i can attend church services on Sunday?
#2..."We belive that all can use a day of rest...It is a time to recover and reflect....You may look for lost dogs or game animals".....Isn`t looking for lost dogs not taking a day of rest and laboring and in #1 you say you should only lobor for six days and rest on Sunday...
#3...We belive landowners want a day of rest....Says WHO?.......NOT ME......I WANT TO HUNT ON SUNDAYS............
#4...Hunting with my family on Sunday would support positive family values.
#5...As you said in #1 Sunday is a day of rest why would there be other people out in the woods doing anything as they should be in church or at home resting and reflecting.....and some still could hunt on their land......
#6.. Maryland has a MUCH MORE generous bag limit then VA ......
#2..."We belive that all can use a day of rest...It is a time to recover and reflect....You may look for lost dogs or game animals".....Isn`t looking for lost dogs not taking a day of rest and laboring and in #1 you say you should only lobor for six days and rest on Sunday...
#3...We belive landowners want a day of rest....Says WHO?.......NOT ME......I WANT TO HUNT ON SUNDAYS............
#4...Hunting with my family on Sunday would support positive family values.
#5...As you said in #1 Sunday is a day of rest why would there be other people out in the woods doing anything as they should be in church or at home resting and reflecting.....and some still could hunt on their land......
#6.. Maryland has a MUCH MORE generous bag limit then VA ......
02-20-2008 | 06:36 AM
#119
Fork Horn
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From: va USA
RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
And their true colors continue to show through. I would imagine there are many members of VHDA that wish they had never joined. Even if I was FOR no change to current deer hound regulations I would not want to be a part of VHDA. Their propaganda and hidden agenda only further supports the ill view many have of Deer Hound Chaser.
02-20-2008 | 07:50 AM
#120
Fork Horn
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RE: Virginia Dog Hunting
ORIGINAL: Bigg~BirddVA
One of us might need to bring a shovel to the meeting.
HM I didn't miss the part. Another half truth for you. The vice chair of VHDA is the director of the sportsman group. Also if VHDA is taking funds in don't they need a license of some sorts to manage funds in a political org? This is almost a laundering of funds of sorts. VHDA doesn't come up as a corporation at the VA SCC site. Nor does VHDA show up on the SCC as a subsidy or affiliated with CSA. So to me it seems they came up with the "different" way to get funds into a political PAC without saying exactly where they're going. I'll know more after a few phone calls tomorrow. I like the not tax deductible part too.
ORIGINAL: deerdogdude
Why dont you 2 kiss and make up? I have never seen 2 hunters bicker back and forth like u2 have. lol Just kidding I enjoy both of your points of views, on most subjects.
Why dont you 2 kiss and make up? I have never seen 2 hunters bicker back and forth like u2 have. lol Just kidding I enjoy both of your points of views, on most subjects.
HM I didn't miss the part. Another half truth for you. The vice chair of VHDA is the director of the sportsman group. Also if VHDA is taking funds in don't they need a license of some sorts to manage funds in a political org? This is almost a laundering of funds of sorts. VHDA doesn't come up as a corporation at the VA SCC site. Nor does VHDA show up on the SCC as a subsidy or affiliated with CSA. So to me it seems they came up with the "different" way to get funds into a political PAC without saying exactly where they're going. I'll know more after a few phone calls tomorrow. I like the not tax deductible part too.
http://vahda.org/faqs.htm
Why do we need another organization?
The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance (VHDA) was formed as an umbrella organization, part of the Commonwealth Sportsmen’s Alliance PAC, to give Virginia Sportsmen a political voice within the law. Many groups came together because many of the"old line established or nationally affiliated organizations" simply were more interested in going along to get along. They did not criticize the DGIF Board or staff when it was needed! Now the DGIF Board has undertaken a dangerous course the Hound Study that they say"Will determine the future of hunting in Virginia"! Virginia’s Sportsmen need a strong voice to tell the bureaucrats and politicians not to tread on our rights! They want their Sportsmen’s organization to be bold defenders of their Heritage not elitists that ignore the hunting traditions that are as old as Virginia herself!
You have been to the website. I encourage you to look it over more closely.