I think hornady used to sell the kit with the jib to hold in a drill to rotate along with the welders paint.

I would never anneal, until I started shooting 300RUM in 2001 or 02. I would just throw away brass at the 5 shot point. But now, I will. Price of reloading components ahve shot up. Plus family got larger, wallet got smaller.

The reason i don't do it any differently "now", is because what i'm doing "now" works, and has been working since the 60's... Why change for the sake of change???

Have all of you guys let the air out of your car/truck tires???? Air isn't the "in" thing these days, don't you know you now you have to fill your tires with nitrogen!

Same difference...

DM

Rafsob, I thought the article had good information but was not fare in his presentation, thereis not enough water in the pan,and his designhas room for improvement, in regards to tools, I make or make-do.

F. Guffey

Because obviously all of our ways have worked. My way works, you say your way works. fguffey says his way works.

"works", is a relative term. What you say "works" may not work good enough for me. Or my "works", may not work up to snuff for you.

IMO, your way is just stress reducing, which does help. But your happy, and I am happy, and that is what matters. Right.

I am sure not discounting your way, but after digging into the subject deeply in the past with several people with a whole lot of experience, some metalurgist, I have come to understand if you get your neck to 500F, your doing nothing with your method. No harm either. If you are getting your necks to 800F, you are oversoftening the brass.You probably won't get cracks however either.But I find consistency is key to reloading. With all the water around your cartridge, it acts like a heat sink, and its very difficult to get a neck to 660F. Good news is your probably not doing harm. I have tried the water method and have used the tempilaq paint to see what is actually happening, and its difficult to get the neck to 660F.

I don't expect you to change your way of doing it DM.

This is exactly what i said eariler... As with most things, there's more than one way of doing it "right"...

DM

No doubt your an experienced person. And no doubt the engineer and my need for extreme precision gets on guys like yours nerves.

Its just who I am. In my field of optics you have to be like this. And it spills over in my leisure time too.

You certainly don't get on my nerves for doing something "differently" than i do... That's what makes the world go around... I try to help folks here, but if they choose a different path is fine with me...

DM

Rafsob,

http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/jun96cases.html

In closing, annealinghas a narrow window, in the demonstration 'crayola' is used below the neck to indicate 650 Deg. F., if 'crayola' was used on the neck 660 Deg. F would be used. Annealing brass cases is about heat, time and travel, if annealinghas a criteria, how many of the elements are met in the demonstration/illustration?

"TEMPILSTIK" is a brand of 'crayola' for determining temperature.

F. Guffey

Ken Howell certainly knows his stuff...

If anyone wishes to talk to him one on one, and doesn't already know, I know where he hangs out...

Thanks Guffey.