Deer hunter complaintsfrom other states.

Wisconsin:


http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/36116624.html


http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=FE2EA86C-5056-B82A-37E06026F714A9B3


http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=AC0C72B7-5056-B82A-3721A6A2E5087ABA


http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=28F9DB59-5056-B82A-372200D0F92C5D08


http://www.rhinelanderdailynews.com/articles/2009/04/07/outdoors/doc49db5624dca0c506805057.txt


www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/42699192.html][/url]http://dev.www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/42699192.html

Those all sound like they could have been written right here in Pennsylvania by and about Pennsylvania hunting and hunters.

Michigan:


http://www.michiganoutdoornews.com/articles/2006/02/02/news/news2.prt


http://www.woods-n-waternews.com/Letters-14664.112113_I_support_the_early_antlerless_season .html


http://www.michiganoutdoornews.com/articles/2006/02/02/news/news1.txt


California:


http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/deer/comments.html


Even this sounds like Pennsylvania hunters wrote the complaints.

Minnesota:


http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/42452747.html?
elr=KArksi8cyaiUgOahccyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanc hO7DiUr


North Carolina:


http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/content/2009/jan/16/hunters-speak-out-against-proposed-change-deer-sea/sports-other/


There are many, many more pages that I haven’t had the time to review yet, but this should be enough to keep everyone busy for a while.

Most certainly hunters complaining about deer management isn’t just a problem in Pennsylvania. In fact it looks as though there are groups of hunters in most of the deer population states that refuse to understand or accept their state’s deer management objectives.

R.S. Bodenhorn

Most certainly hunters complaining about deer management isn’t just a problem in Pennsylvania. In fact it looks as though there are groups of hunters in most of the deer population states that refuse to understand or accept their state’s deer management objectives.

Their families probably all originally emigrated therefrom PA, a few generations ago?

WOW sounds just like a bar in NC PA on the Monday night after Thanksgiving!

Iwonder what their vote forworst deer state in the nation was.

It wouldn't have mattered. They werent running that poll

RSB. stop trying to spin everything, im not talking about the area's around those cities, im talking about the cities themselves.
For Example the city of York is approx 6 square miles in size and there isnt any deer being harvested within the city limits!!
Your other flaw in using deer harvest per sqaure mile is the state's of PA., NJ., OH., etc. all have different amounts of square miles of cities and towns were 0 deer live (again not talikng about the suburbs were deer are living in peoples back yards) so you are comparing apples to
oranges, for example a much higher % of the state of NJ. is paved and void of deer than PA.

RSB. Said""""""""""""""""And, I certainly can’t help it that Ohio doesn’t have as many hunters as Pennsylvania. I suspect even if we only had half as many hunters as we have in this state (about the same number as Ohio presently has) our deer harvests would still be about the same amount higher then Ohio’s harvest."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""


LMAO!!! If OH. had another 145,000 deer hunters (which would be a total of 595,000 deer hunters) they would have harvested more deer than our 900,000 + hunters did last season, and our hunters are armed with high powered rifles and we have a 2 week RIFLE season and OH. hunters only have a 9 day shotgun or inline season.
Also since PA. has alot more hunters hunting per square mile than OH. and creating alot more hunting preasure per square mile which as you know forces the deer to get on their feet and move (and a deer's odd's of being harvested are far greated when they are forced to move)
The less hunting preasure the higher % of the herd can stay bedded all day long during legal shooting hours and only move when using the cover of darkness!! ( I hate the word Nocturnal)


RSB. said """""""""""""""""""""""Pennsylvania deer season and methods are structured to get the desired number of deer harvested with 900,000 plus hunters just as the Ohio season and regulations are structured to get their desired harvest with only half that many hunters. If either state fails to get the desired harvest they will add seasons, bag limits or other options to the hunting tools to get that desired harvest, no matter how many or how few hunters they have. That same thing is true for every state, they will work with the number of hunters they have and provide them with the tools to reach their harvest objectives. States with fewer hunters just allow their hunters to take more deer per hunter, just as we do here in the special regulations areas.

Therefore, your arguments about the number of hunters in one state verses another is just a no point argument. Deer harvests and deer management is all based on getting the correct number of deer harvested regardless of how many hunters are participating in
that harvest objective."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ""


Once again LMAO!! The PGC. isnt concerned if the herd is over harvested and the ODNR is each and every year. Also the PGC.'s bag limits, seasons, methods, antlerless tags issued etc. isnt much different than they were in 2002 but the 2002 deer harvest and the 2008 deer harvest sure is!!
RSB. can you or anyone else provide us with the total deer harvest for the 2002 season? Pike

517,529 Grand Total 2002 Deer Harvest

Hello McFly! Anybody in there? Twice as many hunters means less deer per hunter and therefore a lower per hunter success rate.

If ten people sit down at the barbecue and there's 8 burgers, someone aint gettin one! It's a simple enough principle[&:]


BTW, unless you have numbers to back up your idea that Ohio has more land with no deer, that arguement is meaningless. Oh and York may not have any deer within it's city limits wen a highly urbanized city like Pittsburgh has plentywithin it's city limitsand, yes, a substantial kill comes out of there every year. I'd bet that some live in and get hunted within the limits of York as well.

I took a minute to look at each states area and population. Ohio has 11.5 million people spread over 41, 000 square miles and Pa has 12.5 million people spread over 45,000 square miles Thats a human population difference on 2 per square mile ( 280 Ohio vs 278 for PA) so an arguement about cities being in the total of both states is totally insignificant.

BT. why is it for the last 5 decades or so in PA. the highest daily deer harvest's have always been on the first day of rifle season, the 2nd day of rifle season, the first saturday of rifle season and the last saturday of rifle season?


BT. said""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""BTW, unless you have numbers to back up your idea that Ohio has more land with no deer, that arguement is meaningless. Oh and York may not have any deer within it's city limits wen a highly urbanized city like Pittsburgh has plenty within it's city limits and, yes, a substantial kill comes out of there every year. I'd bet that some live in and get hunted within the limits of York as well.

I took a minute to look at each states area and population. Ohio has 11.5 million people spread over 41, 000 square miles and Pa has 12.5 million people spread over 45,000 square miles Thats a human population difference on 2 per square mile ( 280 Ohio vs 278 for PA) so an arguement about cities being in the total of both states is totally insignificant."""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""


BT. I never said that OH. has more land with no deer ( please re read my last post!! And stop trying to spin what I said!) What I said was that for example a higher % of the state of NJ. was made up of area's that had no deer compared to PA., OH. on the other hand (and by the way you just proved my point here!!) has a lower % of land with no deer than PA.
And your 100% right about different cities in different states such as York and Pittsburgh being different!! Thats my point as well!! You cannot compare different urban area's such as York, Pittsburgh, Philly, Trenton, Patterson,Newark, Cleveland, Cinci and Columbus etc. because they are all different!!!! These reasons that you yourself pointed out is why RSB. trying to compare the deer harvest per square mile is useless!!
The only way to fiquire out deer harvest per square mile is to subtract every square inch of land (downtown of cities, walmart parking lots, roads, etc) that doesnt have any deer in each state
and then every square inch that hunting deer isnt permitted and or the discharge of firearms/bows/ weapons etc. is prohibited, and then fiqure out the deer harvest per square mile with the land that is remaining in each state.
By the way is it legal to discharge a firearm with in the city limits of Pittsburgh? Because it isnt legal to discharge a fire arm or bow within the city limits of York.

Manyspurs, Thanks for the info on the 2002 deer harvest!!!! Pike

I think I have seen enough proof of hunter dissatisfaction with the PGC locally, in print, and on the internet to justify calling RSB a liar when he tries to tell us that this is not the case.